Study business at one of IU's top schools

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Megan Ray: Great. And if it's okay with you all, and I can turn this off, if it's not, I'd love to record this if you all. Don't mind. So if you'd rather me not. That's okay. So just raise your hand. If you would rather me not record.

Megan Ray: Okay. Seeing no hands raised. We will move forward so, and Hi! Welcome to our participants who are coming in. I'm really glad to see you all here, so wonderful. Angel and Cal, Amy, Andy Akash, James. Great! Thank you so much. Hi, Katie! Glad that you all are joining us. Luke

Megan Ray: Liam Shawn. Hi! Hello! Welcome! Well, my name is Megan Ray, and I'm your moderator this evening for this panel, and I am so excited because we have some amazing, incredibly accomplished alumni who are here with us this evening. We're going to talk a little bit about their roles, about their major programs that I you. But what they did to get themselves successful and into the places where they are. So

Megan Ray: what I'd love to do is, have you all go ahead and introduce yourselves and Aly, if we want to start with you, and then we'll go to Fuhong, and then to James Alyssa Claymiller: Awesome. Well, I'm super happy to be here with you all today. My name is Alyssa. I'm from outside of Fort Wayne and graduated from IU in 2019. Alyssa Claymiller: and I work at intuitive surgical. We have a surgical robot. So a lot of people think that it's the robot doing surgery. But it's actually the surgeon who is is doing that just gets them some more precision and control. and I originally wanted to be an optometer. So I studied science, and we can maybe get into that later. But how I made this the decision to get more of a business row.

Fuhang Mou: Everybody. I'm Sue Hong, Mo. I graduated from IU in 2020. I studied biotechnology. And after I graduated I moved to Chicago to work at Abbey and V is a pharmaceutical company. We have Fuhang Mou: products like humor and botox. those are like 2 of our most

Fuhang Mou: well known products. So I started in marketing, went to market research. And now I am in the sales in Raleigh, North Carolina. So happy to be back at.

Fuhang Mou: are you with you all?

James Markwith: Hi, everyone I'm James Mark with also located in Chicago now, but originally from Seattle. Washington, Graduated from Indiana, first in 2021, and then again in 2022 after grad school. Now I work here in Chicago for United headlines. So happy to be here excited for this pad.

Megan Ray: Well, thank you all so much. I really appreciate it. So the first thing I'd like to do is a ask you all about the undergraduate major if you each chose a different undergraduate major to go into. And so how did you pick that major program? And then from that.

Megan Ray: how did you then decide to either move into the work that you're doing right like, what area of that, or what led you then into the grad school route right out of that. So. And, James, if you want to go ahead and start since you. You just spoke last, and then we'll go to Fuhong. And then Alyssa, that'd be great.

James Markwith: Yeah, sure. So an undergrad. I studied economics and political science, and you know I had a minor in business, but I I really wanted to kind of grow the the business side of my you know, education and knowledge a little more So I did the one year masters of Science and finance program through Plus Kelley

James Markwith: after finishing that, you know, I wanted to kind of go into the corporate world, you know. Try it out. And about a year in at United Airlines here in Chicago. I do. It United is, for it's called pricing and revenue management. James Markwith: And so it's pretty related more to the econ side of my background. James Markwith: you know, revenue revenue management's looking at demand and setting fares. And you know, making sure that we maximize revenue essentially. James Markwith: so it's you know it's been. It's been closely tied to my education you know, the whole way through. But Is there any other part of that question I missed. I can't.

Megan Ray: You did. Great. That was awesome. Thank you. And I'd like to go ahead and encourage our attendees who are watching. If you have questions, go ahead and put those into the Q and A. Specifically, that'll be really helpful for us in terms of getting those answered so excellent. Okay.

Fuhang Mou: So I When I first started at Iu, I wanted to be a physician, right? So I I took the pre-med courses. I kind of followed the traditional path of Fuhang Mou: like a science curriculum, right deep science. And then somewhere along the line, I discovered that the business side was more. Yeah, you know, plays better to my strength, and it's an area that I felt I was better able to contribute to this life science, ecosystem, the business side of life sciences. So I study more Fuhang Mou: business that I, you, and kind of work to connect the science aspect of my science, major curriculum, and then my business curriculum, my business courses together, and Fuhang Mou: once I graduated from my you, of course, I went into marketing. I have this. So a business role in a science company and and I mean, that's what I've been doing ever since.

Alyssa Claymiller: So for me, a very similar story. I was Alyssa Claymiller: originally start off as biology and decide to transition, to exercise science to my my my pre-re Alyssa Claymiller: requirements for optometry school, and it was around my junior year. I think I started it. Maybe sophomore year started to like, have that little voice in the back of my mind. That was during the question. If I really did want to become an optometrist and started looking in a bit more to the business side. And even because I kind of had my blinders on for a long time like I wanted to do optometry, that's all I wanted to do. Alyssa Claymiller: And anyone who goes pre-med or pre-physical therapy knows that Alyssa Claymiller: all of those kind of decisions start a long time ago, like in high school, so it can be really hard to change your mind. but I think it's really important to listen to like your gut instincts and what you feel. because I'm really grateful for my science background. But and I think it's really helped in the career that I have now. But Alyssa Claymiller: but I I was starting to realize as I was preparing for up optometry school. I was starting to think I like. Well, I was like, maybe, like, you know, later on, after practicing for a while, I can like be one of those doctors who like helps with the pharmaceuticals of things that or is like the. Alyssa Claymiller: Sometimes there's physicians who Alyssa Claymiller: have a big influence on the research piece. Alyssa Claymiller: and I started to realize that I could just go right into medical device or pharmaceuticals. So I think that was what I decided that Alyssa Claymiller: that it was easier just to go with that route, then to go all the way through school and go a half 1 million, or like quarter 1 million in debt. Before coming to that conclusion. Megan Ray: It was a good thing. You caught yourself, Alyssa, probably right like in that process. So so one of the things that I think is is on the mind of the students observing this, they're all interested in business, right in some way, shape or form. Megan Ray: and are looking for a business degree outside of what the traditional business degrees are at the Kelley School. And so a couple of you have this sciences background. James. You have this background in econ and political science. But I'm wondering, too, just broadly. Are there folks around you who you know, who you work with, who are coming from different backgrounds other than a straight business degree who are doing things in your areas? And and if so, what were some of those paths? So that we can kind of open that up?

Fuhang Mou: I think those people that I work with now in my sales capacity and then in my marketing and market research capacity

Fuhang Mou: of of all backgrounds. Right? I I think once I I mean, once you graduate and you enter the corporate world, you realize that you're gonna meet people with all different sorts of majors. Yes, there is going to be a lot of business majors. But there's also going to be science, major political science. There's going to be everything. And it's really up to you at that point, to make sure that you are able to, you know, grow, grow in your role, learn what you need to to be successful in your role. It's really Fuhang Mou: I may may be the major right, your your college degree, your major, is the. Fuhang Mou: It's the thing to get you into the door in a corporate Urban America Company. But once you're in the door, it's really up to you to sustain your success and your learnings there. Megan Ray: If you want to add to that. Alyssa Claymiller: I would agree that in my ever since graduating college I've worked with people who come from all different Alyssa Claymiller: backgrounds, and it really is it? Alyssa Claymiller: It's more than just what your degree is on paper. It's it's the different Alyssa Claymiller: multifaceted type people that a strong organization wants to attract Alyssa Claymiller: and if they're only looking for one specific type of person or specific background, it's probably not a very diverse company. or doesn't value those kind of mindsets. So Alyssa Claymiller: I think that. like the degree that's on your paper isn't the end. I'll be all James Markwith: yeah, I'd completely agree. I'd say, speaking from experience at United. I know many people who they do have business degrees. I know many people who don't, or you know, social sciences, and what not James Markwith: I would say that most of the people that even if they had the business degree, what makes them stand out is they're interviewing skills. Their personality, like other, you know, aspects of the interview process, or being a good candidate, that kind of actually get you that job. So James Markwith: you know, if you. James Markwith: If you do end up getting a business degree, you're interested. That's great. It's gonna certainly, you know. Teach you things that will help you in the future. But even if you don't, you know, you can be successful regardless, that's what I Megan Ray: let's talk about what some of those skills and things are that you have to actually lean into right, like the other stuff that you did outside of the classes in your undergrad experiences. And I, too, hung. I'm gonna start with you. You know what were the things that you did outside of academics that help get you ready for where you are right now and then James will circle to you and then to Alyssa. Fuhang Mou: yeah, Megan, I think there was a lot of like leadership. Right? How do you work in a team. How do you work with other people? I think it's exactly what James just alluded to. Right? It's a lot of the kind of the social interactions that you're gonna have with the different people you're working with. Right? When you enter a corporate company, there's going to be a lot of different teams, a lot of different players with a lot of different opinions. And it's all about, how do you navigate the Fuhang Mou: the relationships that you're gonna have with each one of them, and that they have with each other. So it's a lot of I I think college is a great time to help, you understand. And really hone in on your kind of a relationship management. You're kind of, you know. Fuhang Mou: social navigating. And and that's gonna be really beneficial. As you enter the corporate world. Alyssa Claymiller: So some things I was involved in outside the classroom. I worked at the study of broad office after I studied abroad. And I found that that gave me a lot of great skills that I use in my career today. We would have Alyssa Claymiller: if you've ever seen like the tables out, for I use study abroads like that used to be me behind that table we did a lot of outreach and helping with the financial aid and their application process. Once they decide, they wanted to study brought and usually it. It's somewhat of a long planning process. Alyssa Claymiller: you know, at least 6 months before someone studies abroad and helping them get all the puzzle pieces put together for that to happen. You know their financial aid, or the classes going through even the nitty-gritty like, what do I pack like? How do I do this and that make a bank account when you get there? So helping people through that I feel like has helped me in what I do now, which Alyssa Claymiller: we help train the surgeons to do the robot surgery. And essentially it's again like a very long process, like there has to be a lot of ducks in a row, and so I feel like that was beneficial. Alyssa Claymiller: And then other than that I think. Alyssa Claymiller: find something you're passionate about and try to get a leadership role in it. I mean, it doesn't matter if it's in a real volleyball, and you're the team lead. Just find something that you're passionate about, because little examples like that can go a long way to in an interview. James Markwith: Yeah, I completely agree with what Alyssa said. Something I add on to that is just connect with your professors. You know they're a great resource. I had the opportunity of working pretty closely with Professor Broth. I don't know if anyone's here has had any experience with him. he taught introductory micro and macro James Markwith: And so I was a ugi for that class for about 2 years. And you know, through some I had a a good relationship with him, and just he kind of helped me along in a later years of college. So just connect with your professors especially use Linkedin. James Markwith: if you don't have a Linkedin account, you should definitely make one James Markwith: and also utilize handshake. So the school gives you a lot of tools for, you know, getting a job or networking, and I just recommend utilizing them. Megan Ray: You know, I really interested you talked about the networking stuff, and and these are students who are going into the start of the sophomore year. So networking is something they're familiar with. But Megan Ray: it's also probably still pretty dag on intimidating, right as you're going through that process when you're thinking about that. what was one of the things that you use like a tip or a trick that you use that you felt like. Once I figured this out it was a whole lot easier for me so, and I'll start with Alyssa, and then we'll go to Fuhong. And then, James. Alyssa Claymiller: so do you mean in terms of networking? Yeah, like either a conversation star or maybe that you had, or a story that you told about your experiences that helped connect, like all of those different things. Alyssa Claymiller: awesome, I think I think Alyssa Claymiller: bringing humor into it is always easy, or I, when your first meeting someone, sometimes even Alyssa Claymiller: just noting something that's happening around you can give you something quick to mutually bond over Alyssa Claymiller: whether I mean, like you're waiting in line for the bus or just anything. You can really start a conversation with anybody if you want But I would say also, just like as soon as you can just find mutual ground. And I feel like that helps people connect right off the back. Fuhang Mou: I I think it's just about like Fuhang Mou: getting used to the flow of these networking conversations right like when you're entering these networking conversations and making sure you understand what you want out of the conversation, and how Fuhang Mou: the conversation can move towards that. Right? Yes, you, wanna, you know, find what you have in common right to make the conversation a little more personable, and, and, you know, build the connection, but also make sure you keep in mind, and are moving a conversation towards the questions you want to ask right that are important to your career. The the reason why you're networking with them. So keep the end in mind and you know, over time. The more these kind of cold networking calls you have with people, the more familiar you'll be with the Fuhang Mou: the flow of it. I mean, they're all pretty similar. And and people people have advice they want to share. So make sure you are able to effectively listen. But James Markwith: yeah, I agree with what Fuhong and Alyssa said. And just to add on, I would say, You know, do your research? you know you don't want to be asking questions that James Markwith: you could find in a quick Google search. Or, if you know, if they've made it pretty obvious in their like profile, if you're doing a cold cold email or cold Linkedin message to someone. if you're trying to, you know, reach that connection. so you just want to kind of be prepared essentially. James Markwith: you know. Know what they do, what kind of sector they're in, maybe. I think a list all alluded to this. Just be caught up on current news in their sector. If you know, something big's happening in that industry just know about it. Maybe bring it up as a touching point. It could be as a starter for a conversation. Megan Ray: when you are doing that kind of research, James, and thinking about that right? Because I think that's so important to personalize the conversation. And you know not that you have to become a expert on their mission statement on their website or anything like that, but certainly reading it and understanding what things are important to the values of the company. Where did you get that kind of information. Were you just a Google fiend during that period of time? Or were you like using some other sort of process to figure that out? James Markwith: you know, using various new sort news websites, you know, if it's a finance related interview, you know, looking at Bloomberg, or, you know, financial times. I I believe our the Masters program gave us a free subscription in the financial time. So that was quite helpful in a few cases. other than that. Just Linkedin's James Markwith: obviously great James Markwith: posts in that industry, you know, you can see you can search that on there. But Google also always does the job. So where wherever you can find it, basically. Megan Ray: absolutely, we've had a question now from one of our attendees. That, I think, is a really strong one, and the question is, if you were in your sophomore year today, what would you do different than how it panned out for you, and why so? And, Alyssa, you have the unfortunate luck of being off on your mic right now. So I'm going to tag you first. Alyssa Claymiller: my sophomore year. I would. One thing that seems kind of random, but I probably would do it probably live a bit closer to campus, because I think Alyssa Claymiller: I've lived a little far off that year, and I feel like I could have been more involved on campus if I was closer, but I was kind of at the mercy of whatever the 9 bus or whatever I was on, whenever I could go on to campus and then also. Alyssa Claymiller: probably, if I wouldn't have the foresight. At that point I would have probably slowed down a bit on my science courses and trying to get a business minor Alyssa Claymiller: because I was close to having a business minor. I think I had pretty much everything besides accounting, and maybe like one of the Alyssa Claymiller: like, either Mac or micro Econ. One of those I was like pretty close to just being able to have a minor which doesn't Alyssa Claymiller: you know, like. Alyssa Claymiller: make or break like where I ended up today or anything, but I think it could have given me some insight that'd be helpful. Alyssa Claymiller: because. Alyssa Claymiller: yeah, ultimately, some of the science classes I was taking were pre-rex that I didn't end up meeting. But everything all happens for a reason, and I think some of those classes probably help me today, too. So but I I think just listening to the voice like, if you have doubts about where you're going. Alyssa Claymiller: have a conversation about Alyssa Claymiller: someone who's in that position and see how they really feel about it, because that was what started to change the script for me. you know, I spoke to some people in the the dream job I wanted. Alyssa Claymiller: and was finding out that they were as happy. And it is, I think I was hoping they would be so I think that's really important, too, is just asking them some of the the real questions. Alyssa Claymiller: If you need help deciding. Megan Ray: I think that's great. So what would you do if you could turn back time? Fuhang Mou: Me and I I think I would do exactly what I did. I I think sophomore year for me. I. I was like freshman year. I was like, Okay, I want to be a physician. And then, towards the end of freshman year, moving into sophomore year, I was like, Okay, maybe there are things outside of being a physician that I wanted to explore. So I spent maybe half a semester finding out. But I, if I wanted to be a lawyer? Right? And so the answer to that was, no. And then I Fuhang Mou: it's the business side of life sciences, and and I mean here I am now so sophomore year for me. It was like a Fuhang Mou: like a a time of career exploration. I think I I mean that that's important, right? As you determine what path you're going to take for the rest of college. And thereafter Megan Ray: that's a great point. So, and you you mentioned the life sciences, and I know that you and Alyssa both became involved in the Center for the Business of Life Sciences which is housed in the Kelley School, and it's open to students of any major program at I you, what was that experience like for you like, what do you feel like you got out of Cdl. Fuhang Mou: It it it was good. I I I think the center really gave students a good Fuhang Mou: understanding and contacts of how the life sciences, industry operates. So there's 2 courses. When when Alyssa and I were in the program, right? And and in each of these classes, industry, professionals from every single area of the industry would come in and talk to you about Fuhang Mou: what they did, and and that gave us great understanding into the rep, the the possibilities and and the options of jobs are out there. I I think normally, people just think of like, maybe like marketing finance right? But there's so many other things in the life, sciences, industry, that the courses in the center really gave us exposure to that. I was Fuhang Mou: very helpful. And then there were, I mean at Abbey right there were. There was a speaker that came from Abbey that spoke in one of our classes, and I mean I've been at the. Now I've been connecting with her. So it's important, right in that working to keep the connection Fuhang Mou: going into yeah, to just lean into the resources that you have around you to have that connection? Megan Ray: Okay. Alyssa Claymiller: a hundred percent agree. Alyssa Claymiller: What was one of my favorite things about that program? Was it opened my eyes to so many positions that I didn't even realize were available. I came from a small town in Indiana, and you know, realistically like. Alyssa Claymiller: if you were one of the brighter kids they kind of were like, Okay, you give me a doctor, a lawyer that was kind of like the like Alyssa Claymiller: we'll have they put you down so. But when I I realized that there was so much more because it brings you through everything from research, like the years and years of research that happens before I met even gets to the stage where it can get FDA approved. They had people from the FDA come in, and then Alyssa Claymiller: go into all the different types of medications and devices that are out there. and then even post-market stuff. So it really gives you a broad Alyssa Claymiller: idea of what all is out there. The other thing I really like to is that it is like professionals out there. I think sometimes. Alyssa Claymiller: you know, we just have our professors like for the whole semester, and we've got it was either two or three different presentations in each class. Alyssa Claymiller: that we're all from people out in the field, out in their profession. So I feel like you just got such like excitement and breath from that and it's also like an amazing networking opportunity. So that's that was one of the main reasons that I decided to change my mind and go more that direction, because I like found myself being excited to go to that class. Megan Ray: Hmm! Megan Ray: That's a good, a good indicator, and James will turn back time with you for a minute. If there's anything with the sophomore year that you could remember that you'd change as a part of that process. James Markwith: I kinda I agree with. what Fuhong, said I, I wouldn't change a thing. I certainly, you know, made mistakes earlier in college of taking a class. I shouldn't have you know, or whatever you want to say, but and roadblocks that came up, but you know they were all important, and, you know, led me to where I am so happy where I am. So I don't want to change anything Megan Ray: so out of the major programs that you all did, or your grad program also, James? In your instance, what were some of the courses that were really really helpful for you? That you were like, yeah, this really worked James Markwith: absolutely is one that stands out. Kinda got me proficient in excel and excel is used in every company. Just you gotta know. Excel. So if you want to go into business pick up that skill another one James Markwith: this is undergrad. Only us, right? So you could also add a course or 2 that you had in your grad program that you were like this just locked it down for me. Yeah, sure. So one in grad school that I took was called cloud based analytics. And it went into using power bi and some sequel skills. So those are becoming more and more important in James Markwith: a lot of businesses being able to analyze James Markwith: pull data, analyze data and visualize it. So those kind of skills will never go out of style. Basically. So I, you know, try to pick up at least one of those James Markwith: other courses that I just enjoyed. you know, that helped me James Markwith: intellectually, was just philosophy. I love philosophy got So reading that kind of stuff was a a a joy James Markwith: absolutely. How do you see how that exploration into philosophy has helped you now like, in terms of what you do day to day, whether it's work related or quality of life related quite frankly, because I think there's a piece of that, too. James Markwith: this one class. I took. You had to write a paper every week. It was about a 10 page paper every week, so I got a lot better at writing that semester. certainly. You have to write a lot in business, you need to, you know. Write drafts or put together a, you know, an email, professional email toward someone, maybe higher up. And it's gotta, you know, look good and sound. Good. So. James Markwith: yeah. Megan Ray: absolutely. And Alyssa were there courses that were stand out for you during your time. Alyssa Claymiller: so what helps me a lot in my current position is my, it's like anatomy. It was a teaching system for that that has really helped me. I think also, this is speech debate. Type classes can be helpful to Alyssa Claymiller: to learn how to like, take any kind of topic like they could throw at you, and and Alyssa Claymiller: come up with your opinion on it, I think, is helpful, too. Megan Ray: absolutely too long. What do you think? What were some classes that were stand out. Fuhang Mou: I think, other than the 2 center for the business of life sciences, courses where the different professionals came in. I took a class in the own new school on the pharmaceutical industry, and I think that was really helpful, right? So that gave me a good Fuhang Mou: understanding of how a drug kind of move through moves through the pipeline all the different players of it. formulary. Fuhang Mou: just a lot of different things that are, you know, pillars and the pharmaceutical industry, and and gives me a good foundation going into the industry. Megan Ray: So in that shift gears here just a little bit, let's say you talked about a study of broad experience, and I'd love for you to elaborate more on that. And if if either of you, who Hong or James have experiences like that, you want to say, or if you want to encourage a student to do it. please. By all means, I share that, you know. as we're going through that. But Alyssa's talk a little bit about that like what you got out of that experience. Megan Ray: what kind of stories it gave you to talk to folks about. And then you know, what should people think about if they're thinking about doing a study of broad type experience. Alyssa Claymiller: Yeah. So I actually got to study. Read twice. I did a short term study abroad, after my freshman year of college to the Dominican Republic, and it covered culture. in history. I forget it, was it? Alyssa Claymiller: It satisfied one of my general education requirements, I forget exactly which one, but I think probably the most fun way to cover that credit. So that was my first time out of the country. So that was an amazing experience, and we got to go all around the country of getting seen different sites. And then I did a semester study abroad to Australia, which was absolutely amazing. I don't think anything will ever live up to it in my whole life. Alyssa Claymiller: But what some of this skills that I gain from that that I could bring up and interviews is it really shows that you're adaptable and willing to accept change and inherently you just the more you see of the world the more you understand and can can have like Alyssa Claymiller: things to speak about with, you know. I'll run in or like, say, I meet someone from New Zealand, and I can talk about my. The time that I said to broaden was over there, too. It just really makes the world feel more connected. And getting to see different ways of life. It's always really helpful for Alyssa Claymiller: for setting abroad. This sooner you can start planning the better. I'm actually a big proponent of trying to study abroad as early as possible, because it makes it easier with your credit. transfers, because the longer you wait, the more specific Alyssa Claymiller: kind of classes you're getting into at the end of your Major, so in the beginning is definitely a good way to do it, and a lot of your scholarships can go a broader detail if you do. Alyssa Claymiller: Of those. Fuhang Mou: I never studied it abroad. I was going to, but and then Covid happened. So I didn't. But I think it's not. It's not necessarily about study abroad. It's just about these like types of experiential learning experiences that gives you more to speak to. Right, gives you more Fuhang Mou: life, experience and opportunities to hone in these like skills of communication team work Fuhang Mou: things like that. So what? Whether you study abroad or don't study abroad, it's important to lean into these experiences that you've had in your life, right? Whether it's whether it is study abroad, right? Whether you're in organization, whether you're, you know, in a in a team project. Right? What? What are these these like stories that you can tell people to highlight who you are? Megan Ray: That's a great story, and you're absolutely right. You all would have been right in the middle of that Covid, and would have really struggled from that. So that makes a ton of sense actually within that. So that's great, James. Anything to throw in there. James Markwith: I'd say. Foo Hong said it better than I would. Megan Ray: Well done. So it does seem to be really important. This collection of the stories through your undergrad experience that when you're walking into this thing, you're looking to make a connection with a person right, because that's part of the networking piece. But then you're also trying to figure out how to extrapolate what you've learned inside and outside the classroom to talk to those folks because they also want to know that you know your stuff right as you're going into this. And as you've looked at that process, you know, as you all are looking Megan Ray: to, what your next move might be right in your career. What are some of the things that you think are fundamentals that maybe we're missing from your undergrad degree, that you think that you ought to put back in like I know, James, you talked about excel, and about how like you just can't have too much right as you're going through that and and building up those skills. Megan Ray: But I mean wondering if there's also other things. Now, like I, you know, thinking about artificial intelligence, and how that's so very, very vastly changing the way that things are being done. Now, are there things like that that you all are seeing in your industries that you're thinking. Well, if I were in school right now, and maybe start to look at this, because I think I'm going to need that for my next leap. James Markwith: Yeah, it's certainly say, like strict coding would. If I was a genius, Coder, it would certainly be helpful in certain aspects of my job. But you know there's tools now where you you can kind of skate by with. you know, limited knowledge. It's coding. So if I mean, if you're interested in, it's a great skill to pick up so python or James Markwith: C. Any of these kind of more James Markwith: you. You know James Markwith: usable coding languages I'd certainly recommend at least having a baseline knowledge about, or if you're super interested and maybe pick it up completely. So Fuhang Mou: I'm in marketing and sales. And I I I think the digital marketing Fuhang Mou: stuff. I I I think that would be really valuable for suit students right now to home in. I I think it's it's definitely blooming in the industry and Fuhang Mou: that will have a lot of value. Once you guys graduate Alyssa Claymiller: for me, I don't. There's nothing I can think of in particular. what I would say Alyssa Claymiller: is just making like certain you're choosing a company that Alyssa Claymiller: gives the resources. If you want to continue to learn. this, I think. Alyssa Claymiller: personally, I think out of college one of the best size companies to try to shoot for is mid to large, because they will have more resources for you to do, continued education. but also, sometimes smaller companies. You're wearing a lot of hats, and you kind of get forced to learn very quickly. So, but I think it's important that when you're interviewing to to ask what kind of continued learning they have? because ideally, they they have the resources there to help set you up for the next position. Megan Ray: Absolutely. That's really helpful. So so E. Another question that I, I think, is helpful to folks. Could you all give us? And I know that in the world of work there is no typical day, right? But over the course of a week could you give us an idea of like 3 or 4 job related tasks that you all are doing. that might be helpful in kind of illustrating what a routine experience might be like in your particular area. Megan Ray: And Alyssa, we want to start with you. And then Fuhong. And then, James. Alyssa Claymiller: yeah. So Alyssa Claymiller: my typical day, which I cover a territory basically, all of Northern Indiana, so about from Carmel and then Michigan cities. About the first West I go. I'm in a hotel right now. I usually am not traveling for work, but as a component if I don't want to drive 2 and a half hours in the morning to get down to Indy. But Alyssa Claymiller: I would say, normal part of my day is, I mean, multiple surgeries helping. This is the surgeon during that procedure. So it'd be a hysterectomy, or they're taking someone's gallbladder out of call it cholecystectomy. Alyssa Claymiller: helping support them with the robot. It's a big piece of equipment. So, being a support to them helping teach them anything. that they don't know like about it. And then also another piece that we do is we're here at the residence. So now residents learn Alyssa Claymiller: robotics Alyssa Claymiller: while they're going through that. So helping assist with that, and also training up new surgeons and then sometimes mixed in there as conferences Alyssa Claymiller: and I will say that even when I graduated college, if you were told me I'd be in the operating room and I could give a surge in the suggestion, or I'll teach them something. I just want to believe you. So Alyssa Claymiller: yeah, every day is a little bit different different hospitals. Alyssa Claymiller: But yeah, that's typically what it's like. Fuhang Mou: So I'm in sales right now, right and then, sales. I I mean, like a list of every day is very different in sales. in pharmaceutical sales. I'm probably Fuhang Mou: going to an office, you know, trying to. Fuhang Mou: Yeah, I'll see the doctor share about my my drug with the doctor, and maybe having lunch with a doctor. Maybe there's a dinner program. There's like a variety of different different things we can do to kind of share our product to the physician when I was in in marketing and market research, so a more like in house, like a like an office corporate job Fuhang Mou: and that that was a lot of meetings, right? A lot of meetings to push different projects forward. And Fuhang Mou: I I I I think, in both sales. And then these marketing market research kind of in-house capacity. It's really about you, and and how you push projects forward. Right? You dictate your day and kind of Fuhang Mou: you know who you need to meet with here. You need to talk to and Fuhang Mou: and then you move projects forward that way. James Markwith: Yeah, I'd really hone it on what for Long said with the meetings a lot of meetings every day. at least for me personally, you know, we I work remotely a lot. So a lot of teams calls with either directors, managers, you know, going over certain reports that I've up together. for you know various events or James Markwith: you know, projects on our team that we're we're working towards. But my kind of you know, daily responsibilities. I cover Africa, India, and the Middle Africa, India in the Middle East for pricing. And so I'm looking at markets and just making sure that we stay competitive with American and Delta. So James Markwith: it's kind of a James Markwith: you know. There, there are certain aspects of my job which are routine. And then there are certain aspects which are change every day. So it's a good mix of both. And James Markwith: yeah changes. By the I'd say by the month. Mostly Megan Ray: that's super helpful. So now, thinking about back to your college days, right? So, as you were doing this, what were the kinds of clubs and organizations that you became a part of that maybe you haven't mentioned yet. Or how did they change from when you were in your first or second year until a later part of the year. Because I, Megan Ray: one of the things that I think is really interesting about the college experience is that a student might be involved in something in their first year, and then be involved in something completely different that they love by their senior year. So it I, James, if you want to jump back into this and tell us a little bit about some of those things that you were involved in, that you found valuable outside of the classroom. James Markwith: sure, I wasn't in too many clubs. I did take part in the Economics Club and the you know. I I think I touched on that. I was a undergraduate instructor for the economics. Other than that. I didn't. I didn't really play sports for the school, or I wasn't really a part of any intramural or that kind of stuff. James Markwith: from when I was there things James Markwith: mostly stayed the same. I'd say up until Covid, of course, and then, you know, didn't really do much from then on in the school, as a virtual for most of junior year, and then back a little bit of senior year, so I would say, not much changed from at least freshman the senior, but James Markwith: certainly was fun. And those experiences helped. Okay. Megan Ray: yes, and Alyssa. Alyssa Claymiller: So I was around my freshman year. I was a part of the Jill Beerman 5 K. Color run. I did that for a few years, and then trying to think what all I did. I Alyssa Claymiller: a lot of part of what I did, too, that I don't know if everyone knows about that. You can be like a test participant if for different scientific studies. I like to do that as a little bit of extra cash. When I was in college. then I usually had a job going on. I I don't know if we can consider that an extracurricular but yeah, as Alyssa Claymiller: like. I said I was a teaching assistant for anatomy. Then I step study broad office. And then, because of that job ended up getting Alyssa Claymiller: a job at the office of equity diversity, multicultural affairs to help them select which scholarships they are giving out. And then other than that, I'm trying to think I did inner meal volleyball. I feel like it's always, if you can, to have one. That's just purely fun like in social. I feel like that's good to have if you have time for it in your schedule. Alyssa Claymiller: And then I also did like a volunteer kind of program like it. It was Alyssa Claymiller: I took a Grant writing class and so like it was required to do so many hours of volunteering. And then you at the end you'd write a grant for the organization. So I did the volunteering at my sister's closet. Alyssa Claymiller: So really cool organization. you can get business close there. It's been essentially like a thrift store. But the proceeds go to helping women get Alyssa Claymiller: fulfilling careers and employment. So Alyssa Claymiller: I recommend going. Fuhang Mou: I did a bunch of like, like student leadership type, things like like with the Union Board, right? like a events and different leadership opportunities for students. I I I think it's pretty consistent. from freshman a senior year. Megan Ray: That's great, that's really great. So I think, what are some of the things that you all have found in terms of transitioning into the communities that you live in right now, like, how have you created communities or created friendships? Really outside? Because that's something that I do here from some of our recent grad sometimes is. Megan Ray: and it was really hard to get connected to folks right away. And certainly you always have your user family right? But sometimes it's hard to get to alumni events and to do those sorts of things. And some nice the folks going to. Those aren't necessarily the younger alumni right? Who you might want to connect with. How have you all done that like? How have you expanded your circles now that you're in Megan Ray: a different life period. Megan Ray: Oh, yeah, too, Hong, you go ahead. I see you thinking. Fuhang Mou: I I think it depends on what city you're in, and and different ways to meet people. are better in different cities like. So I'm in Raleigh right now and meet up is a big thing in Raleigh. Raleigh has a lot of young professionals, so I I think, meet up is a good way to meet people here, or there's tons of Fuhang Mou: like random young professional clubs. I do a lot of running. So there's like a running club every single day of the week here when I was in Chicago, I mean, there were tons of running club. There were. Fuhang Mou: I mean it just like a a lot of different like opportunities to me Fuhang Mou: people our age. That's great. Alyssa Claymiller: Yeah. So I definitely agree with what he said. Because when I first graduate I moved to Philadelphia and I was doing pharmaceutical sales out there and then Covid hit. Alyssa Claymiller: and we all went remote, and I honestly love being remote for about 2 years or so. But that's was one of the main things I was missing. I felt like I wasn't having Alyssa Claymiller: like the social Alyssa Claymiller: that I needed to be happy. And at the time I was in a small town, Indiana like I moved back, and so that was part of it, too, like, unless I wanted to hang out with people from high school like Alyssa Claymiller: that was my options. But I think some of the ways that can be fun is even if you go on Facebook and go on to events. You can see different events that's going on like I've met people from going to like a free Yoga Alyssa Claymiller: so class that was happening in it apart, and always just building off the the social circle that you have And then also, like Alyssa Claymiller: he said to Bumble, Bfs. you can find people who have similar interest to you, because it's not. Alyssa Claymiller: It depends on where you are. I think the bigger city you're in. Usually it's easier. But if you're in a somewhat small. Alyssa Claymiller: so a place that might might feel harder, especially when we're used to just like being in college and everyone being around our same age and going through a similar phase of life. Alyssa Claymiller: So it's something you have to give more Alyssa Claymiller: of a specific focus in your twenties or your twenties. Once you're out of school James Markwith: yeah, I completely, agree you know from my grad program, our our grad program class was about I think 60 students, and I'd say about half of them with moved to Chicago to work. So I have a pretty good James Markwith: close knit group of friends from that that live here and work in the city. And so, you know, I I'm thankful for that. And other than that, you know. You just meet people through work, and you meet people, friends of friends, and you know you kind of just grow your circle like she said over time. So certainly there are other ways to, you know. If you just you just randomly meet someone out in like the clubs like they said, and those are all good options. But Megan Ray: and it, James, how did you make that decision like you said you wanted to focus a little bit more tailored on the finance piece. Right? But I'm thinking about you're getting this degree in Econ and political science. And then you decide to stay for another year and do this program. So what was really kind of the primary drivers for that decision making for you? Because some folks would say like, Listen, I have done my undergraduate degree. I am out. I want to be pulling down a salary like Megan Ray: what is up with that. So why, why did you decide to wait. James Markwith: Yeah, certainly. So I when I first graduated in 2,021, it was kind of in that Covid era, and I didn't feel like I had the end of my college experience completely. It was kind of, you know, stolen for me whatever you want to call it And so, going back for that last year. It was kind of my, you know, the true end to my like college career, I guess you could say. James Markwith: and really glad I did it, because it was, you know, probably the best best year on campus I had. you know, it was the kind of the surge of coming back to I you every everyone was so just happy to be there. James Markwith: Other than that, you know. It was also just it made sense because I I read some study where you know in a down economic downturn there, it's a good idea to just get more education. It's kind of when people go back to school. So it, it's it was. Certainly just it looked good from all fronts, basically. And the program itself I had, I actually had gotten in the end of my junior year. So I kind of James Markwith: I actually, I think I said yes, right at the beginning of senior year. And it was just my goal from then on to just do that. So Megan Ray: yeah, that makes a ton of sense. So well, we just have a few minutes left in our panel. So I want to make sure that I ask our attendees if they have any other further questions to please put those into the Q. A. And I'm gonna ask you all, these are young people trying to make some decisions looking at their futures. What would be a piece of advice that you would share with them, I knowing that over the next 3 years they're going to be Megan Ray: figuring out a career and getting a job and doing all of those different things right? So that's the final question that I'm gonna ask you. In the meantime, though, what I would like to ask you all. And I'm gonna start with you to ask, how did you get your first job out of college? What's the story of that, because I think that part feels super intimidating, and we'll go Alyssa Fuhong. And then, James. Alyssa Claymiller: so Alyssa Claymiller: it's a super stressful time. that's another thing to the earlier you can plan for that the better, because I started mainly looking for jobs after I graduated and I had actually received a job offer from a pretty good place, but it was. Alyssa Claymiller: or earlier before I graduated, but I felt like Alyssa Claymiller: I didn't want to take the first thing that I got but Alyssa Claymiller: I think so. Mine. I'm pretty sure I found my first one on Linkedin. It wasn't necessarily like through someone I knew. I just was applying for things, and the the more in interviews I had, the more it was helping me narrow down exactly what I wanted. I think I kind of shot for the moon a little bit too fast that I thought I'd be able to get like a manager role right out of college. So Alyssa Claymiller: I think. it's good to know to that, you know it like we all have to be at the bottom of the total hole at some point and work our way up so Alyssa Claymiller: I don't know if that makes any sense but Alyssa Claymiller: But you can always like, if even if you're just interested in something. You can always try interviewing for it if you get an interview, you know it's always Alyssa Claymiller: even if that ends up, not being the one you take. You'll learn something from it Megan Ray: absolutely. Fuhang Mou: I found mine on Linkedin. fall of senior year during the race recruiting cycle. Fuhang Mou: Happy does a lot of recruiting on campus I but I I found mine through up through Linkedin James Markwith: So I got the interview for my job through handshake, which is a service that in Indiana University offers. it kind of just it's like it's basically another Linkedin, but it pairs you directly with like the hiring Hr person to to get an interview specifically. it's not not really for networking James Markwith: So that kind of. James Markwith: you know, led to. James Markwith: you know, interview one. And that went well interviewed to. you know most of these interviews there, 2 to 3 partners. you know. So if you're feeling stressed, it's completely understandable. It is a stressful time, but just in general it'll work out, you know. Just take a breath and kind of James Markwith: Prepare as well as you can, and if you know, the opportunity doesn't work out, it wasn't meant to be. You'll get something else. So that's what I'd say. Megan Ray: absolutely. And, James, you've had a specific question roll into the Q. A. For you asking, was there a specific thing that you learned through your Econ and Political Science Degree that you unexpectedly found to be helpful in real world applications. James Markwith: There are certainly many things from those degrees that help me. They were about it. I don't know if they would be unexpected. certainly the Econ stuff I use basically every day. James Markwith: But I guess what was unexpected was just how much I actually just enjoyed the material itself. you know, reading James Markwith: these, you know. Not not really the textbooks, but they were more books. That kind of talked about the the theory behind the thought of economics. Right? And so, you know, I now I read Econ related books just in my free time. So James Markwith: certainly certainly interesting in it of itself, and not just from a textbook. I'd say the textbook is the most boring part of learning, but the you know, ideas behind them is, what's James Markwith: what's actually stimulating? Megan Ray: That's great. Thanks so much. Megan Ray: And, Alyssa, I, as you're thinking, what advice do you have for these folks? Alyssa Claymiller: I think, never stop learning. always have a curious spirit. whether it's just finding a podcast, that you're interested in and listening to that on the way to work. Always have something that you're learning and growing education does. It does not stop when you graduate. Alyssa Claymiller: or at least I don't think it should. So and find a career that challenges you in the right ways. so that you don't get board. Fuhang Mou: I I think I would advise you all to really like, lean into your college experience and really get all that it has to offer right. All the people that you meet in college are going to be very important for you, not only in your career, but in your life. Fuhang Mou: And then all the experiences that will teach you different lessons, or just lean into your college experience. And Fuhang Mou: I mean, why, what, James? And at the end of the last question, right? What's to just just kill out, and what's yours will come to you, and and just go with the flow Megan Ray: in it. James. Any of last advice for students. James Markwith: Last advice I I think I've James Markwith: I think I've basically said that. James Markwith: You know, I would say it again just James Markwith: it'll be fine. Yeah, that's all I can say. I don't know I was to say, but yeah, good luck to everyone in this call. So Megan Ray: yeah, I think that's really really great. So I just want to thank you all so much for your time. Yeah. And one of the questions that squeaked in here at the last minute was, did you think you were to disadvantage looking for these kinds of jobs versus someone doing a traditional business degree right in that process. And it I I heard you all say that like perhaps Megan Ray: getting in the door. It may have been a little bit easier, but maybe not right like, because you had such a unique perspective. You, James, what do you think? James Markwith: for getting in the door? James Markwith: You know I actually I I've never been on the side of the hiring manager, so I can't. I can't really say if that's true or not. James Markwith: but I do know from what you can control. It's just how you craft your own story and your kind of what? What you're driven by. You know. What makes you passionate about the job that you're applying for. that's the only thing that you can really control. And I would just say to kind of refine that, you know. Megan Ray: that's great. And Alyssa Foo Hong, what do you think? Fuhang Mou: Yeah, I I think it's all about how you craft your own story when I was like making the transition to a more business career path. I mean, I was thinking about. Should I switch to a business, major? Right? But I decided that I would stay with a science major, because Fuhang Mou: I thought and I I mean Fuhang Mou: that it would give me a competitive edge, right? I knew everybody else applying to the jobs that I wanted to get would be a business major right. There would be very few Science majors, let alone science majors that knew and understood the connection between the business and the science. So really understand your story and what your competitive edges and Fuhang Mou: and and lean into that? Alyssa Claymiller: Yeah, I. And for me, I didn't feel disadvantaged with having my science degree. I think Alyssa Claymiller: a lot of people respect science degrees. They know they're not easy. you know. Alyssa Claymiller: I think, is specifically in me and Alyssa Claymiller: industries where it's it is respected to to have a background in science. some some positions matter more with how much science and how much business there is going to be. But having. I feel Alyssa Claymiller: like learning. Science in a structured way, like in college, is easier to learn tough subjects in school like that, where I feel like a lot of business knowledge. You can learn Alyssa Claymiller: either so low or Alyssa Claymiller: like, like. Figure out what you need as you go. Alyssa Claymiller: depending on the role. So Alyssa Claymiller: that's at least how it works out for me. And and I'm happy that that's how I did that things. Fuhang Mou: Yeah, it really just depends on where you want to lean into right. So if you're a like a science major, and you want to lean into our more business role, then like that, then, you know. Make sure you understand the Fuhang Mou: kind of the business, transferable skill aspect of your science role. Right? If you're I mean, just lean into what about your profile Fuhang Mou: lends itself to where you want to go, and and those skills that can carry you there Megan Ray: absolutely. Megan Ray: I can't thank you all enough. I truly can't. So I am always humbled by the generosity of fellow hoosiers. And as an alumna of I you myself from the journalism program many, many decades ago. I just want to thank you all for your time and your energy and your enthusiasm, and Megan Ray: appreciate so much. You're taking time out of your schedules to spend time with these students and to share your stories, which are inspiring and really exciting. And I'm thrilled to see what comes next for you all. So thank you also very much. I'm going to go ahead and close our panel this evening. Take care, and have a very good rest of your day, morning or evening. Thanks so much. Bye, bye. Alyssa Claymiller: thank you. Oh, I I guess last little thing I'll say is, I'm sure the other panelists feel the same. You can always feel free to add us on Linkedin. If you have anything that we would be able to help with in the future, always willing to help another user. Alyssa Claymiller: Oh, thanks, Alyssa, great! Megan Ray: It's great bye.

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Business Pathways: Excellent. So oh, and, Ellen, I wanted to ask, do you mind if I record? Okay, okay, that would be great. So well, hello and good evening. I'm so excited to see our attendees here. So Peter and Jenna Hope and Garrett Brennan thanks so much for coming out tonight to learn a little bit, or depending on where you are in the world this morning or this afternoon. Right? Business Pathways: So thank you so much for being here. I'm really excited. One of the things that is super fun about being an alum about you myself is when I get to meet other alumni of the school. And here about what some of their journeys have been like, and what their experiences have been. And so I am really excited for you all to meet Ellen Mendenhall this evening and hear a little bit about her story. Business Pathways: So, Ellen, I'm gonna have you introduce yourself? Where are you originally from? Maybe what you studied at you? Where are you now? And what are you doing? Ellyn Mendenhall: Perfect? Yes, So I am originally from Indianapolis. I grew up there my whole life, and then went to iu So I I enrolled in 2,016. Ellyn Mendenhall: So I think I was a senior. Well, actually, no, I definitely, probably not overlapped with anyone at this point. I graduated in 2,020 and it still feels like I graduated Ellyn Mendenhall: last summer, but it's last summer is like suddenly, 3 summers ago. And now I'm in New York which I really love. And I'm working right now in marketing for the investment banking division. of woman tax Ellyn Mendenhall: But that was not my first job out of college. and I'm sure we'll we'll discuss more. But I I started at a law firm. right out of college and that was in Chicago. So I've actually been in two cities as well. Ellyn Mendenhall: Oh, and I forgot to say what I study. But I studied history and international studies. I was a double major in those, and then I also had a minor in Spanish and a minor in Jewish studies. Business Pathways: Excellent! That's so great, Ellen. So what what made you decide to focus on those major programs. When you came to, I you to begin with, what was it that got you interested in those particular disciplines? Ellyn Mendenhall: Yeah, I definitely think on a personal note. My mother is a history teacher, secondary like high school, but I think she definitely had an influence on that growing up. I did a lot of spend a lot of time in museums and on historical road trips for Spring Break instead of Ellyn Mendenhall: Florida, which I hated at the time. But I have grown to love and appreciate about my childhood. and I just really really loved it. and I also thought. Ellyn Mendenhall: actually think it's international stage with my first major and I think I thought when I came to I you, that I wanted to be a foreign service officer, which is definitely an interesting career opportunity, and not one that I knock at all. But I think I kind of came to the conclusion pretty quickly. That's not something I wanted to do but so I thought I'd be a diplomat, and then I thought I would be a lawyer. which is kind of like Ellyn Mendenhall: if you have a history, Major. Ellyn Mendenhall: your parents friends are. Gonna say, what are you gonna do with that? which I think we'll talk about as well, but I think law school is like an acceptable answer, and Ellyn Mendenhall: even if you don't want to go off when you want to adopt that out by like feel free, because it got me out of a lot of conversations about what I wanted to do. But I also decided law school really wasn't what I wanted to do, either. but I just like I loved what I was studying. And I definitely like Ellyn Mendenhall: encourage. Ellyn Mendenhall: like, just picking what you're passionate about, because, no matter what you study, I think the biggest thing I took away from my experience was like relationships. I built with my professors over things I was passionate about, and then still to this day to be able to talk about projects and initiatives, and papers that I wrote about what I'm passionate about like that comes up still in like, in interviews and in Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, I I, networking like that has definitely been the best facet. Ellyn Mendenhall: I guess in my my own progression. So Business Pathways: that's so exciting. So so you came in international studies, was the primary right? And then you added history to that which I'm sure your family was delighted about right like keeping it alive in the family. And those were things that were of interest to you when you were taking those classes, what were some of the classes that you had, that you found, like the most interesting, and then also which have been the most useful to you in the work experiences that you've had since graduation. Yeah, I would definitely, I had a few Ellyn Mendenhall: favorite history professors. I think Ed linen. Thal is still there, and he taught a lot of I I try to remember the course things he tried a lot of like Ellyn Mendenhall: cold war era. I think he he taught at the time. What is history, too, which is like the Intro history major. class that I love. He also Ellyn Mendenhall: he did one. Yeah. So the bomb in American life was fascinating. It was just on. It was cold war, but it was really just focused on like Ellyn Mendenhall: the bomb aspect of it, like we read books on fallout shelters. We read books about Chernobyl. We watched Ellyn Mendenhall: all these like doomsday movies from the time and so that one was really fascinating because it was like historical. But it was also like about American culture, and like a really cool perspective. he also had a World War Ii class, which is super popular, and I Ellyn Mendenhall: was kind of an Elitist history major at the time where it was like the I. There's this like idea of like, it was really annoying to me, because as a history major, everyone's always like oh, so you must know everything about World War. I I'm like, yeah, that's the only thing that's happened in history. so that is like the most popular history class, because I think a lot of people are really interested in world history, which is not a bad thing. Ellyn Mendenhall: but anyway, so that was like, actually my only lecture hall class. and I would say, Ellyn Mendenhall: well, I loved like all of my history classes. There was like. Ellyn Mendenhall: it's like hard to make it there. I think I think the bomb when it was my favorite. But I also took a law in Latin America, like a modern Argentina class, was fascinating. Modern Mexico class. Ellyn Mendenhall: Peter Gordino was the honors program director at the time, and he is an excellent, amazing professor. Ellyn Mendenhall: and super interesting, and those classes are great, even if you don't, wanna. They're like majors and not majors. But they're just I just love them. Ellyn Mendenhall: I say, from all of them Ellyn Mendenhall: having completed like long papers, is like more useful than I thought it would be. just like a is like a writing sample, but also, like you can submit these long papers to win awards Ellyn Mendenhall: or like scholarships. And to say, I completed this research myself, or this is secondary research. Ellyn Mendenhall: that is like super like useful and also like so much of Ellyn Mendenhall: jobs, is like any job is like writing emails and even like writing presentations, writing briefs. You, you'll write so much, no matter what your job is. my sister is in engineering, and she Ellyn Mendenhall: talks about like writing lab reports, and that's like a skill that some of her peers like don't have, and it's like such a key skill to have no like, just no matter where you're at I think it's like really easy to set apart, even though it is like considered a soft scale. Ellyn Mendenhall: see, I think like that, like the research aspect is like the biggest thing Ellyn Mendenhall: and even like marketing. The writing comment, like that connection is obvious, but also like doing research on competitors and like putting together a competitive analysis or just like demonstrating knowledge on a subject like Ellyn Mendenhall: you have to like, learn really quickly and like the ability to like, just consume a lot of material and then be able to speak on it. It's also like really important, I think. I'm also like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I don't want to act like I know everything. I'm 3 years out of college. but it's been really helpful for me at this point. Business Pathways: Well, if it's any any support at all, Ellen. We had a panelists on the panel last night who had done a double major in Econ and political science, and he said almost the exact same thing that the writing had been so essential for him in his work, and he works as a pricing analyst for you now right? But he he said that that training of how to think Business Pathways: and how to work had really been valuable to him in that process, you know. So so were you when you went to the wafer right out of school. Were you looking? Were you kind of test driving it to see if law school is actually an interesting thing for yourself, or how did you end up there, and what what were you doing while you were there? Ellyn Mendenhall: So graduating in May of 2020. I actually didn't. I was like the the one class that really didn't get a graduation, which is fine. Ellyn Mendenhall: it was still a great senior year, and I am appreciative that I had 3 and a half really normal years. but it was a really tough job market. I had a lot of my friends who were business students, who, like the culture and in like Ellyn Mendenhall: business school, is like, you have your job lined up, and a lot of them were like getting job offers rescinded or like. Here's a stipend. We're not going to start you for another 6 months after what we originally told you. And so it was really tumultuous and like Ellyn Mendenhall: for a lot of, I think, liberal arts, and, like other just other majors, like a lot of people. When March 2020 hit people didn't have jobs lined up. Ellyn Mendenhall: and I did it really, either. I think I had like been recruiting. Ellyn Mendenhall: so it kind of like I had done a. Ellyn Mendenhall: It was basically like it was like a family friend connection that ended up Ellyn Mendenhall: like helping me with that where it was like Ellyn Mendenhall: we had, like a family friend who was an attorney, and they were like, Oh, you want to go to law school. Well, what if you just like, based on your like history experience, and like I was also in a sorority, and I had been Ellyn Mendenhall: like special events, share And so they were like, Oh, like Ellyn Mendenhall: you could do like some event planning why don't you try this out? And then maybe. Ellyn Mendenhall: if you want to. You'll figure out, if you like, a law firm. You want to go to law school, And so it just happened to kind of be a marketing position. Ellyn Mendenhall: which is crazy, because now I feel like I love marketing. And I feel like I'm going to build my career upon that. And it was really just like it, like, just happened that way. Ellyn Mendenhall: but yeah, so that's how I ended up there. And what I really did. There was a lot of, and it is a finance law firm, which is how it kind of ended up bridging me to Goldman. A lot of it was like Ellyn Mendenhall: proof, reading what the attorneys wrote. because the attorneys are writers as well. I was definitely not writing like the high brow, legal legal ease. But I was doing a lot of like Ellyn Mendenhall: sending that email proof, reading, formatting it to make it like look good and appealing. like, but also like event list, and like all kinds of like handling unsubscribes from like clients. Ellyn Mendenhall: I don't know, and doing social media as well we like. We started an Instagram, and it was like a pretty small law firm. So it was like brand new to have Instagram. Ellyn Mendenhall: I did. I like taught myself how to do. It was also because it was like Ellyn Mendenhall: brand new with this work from home stuff. They were like, I think we have to start making videos like. Ellyn Mendenhall: do you have the time to try to like what? Something together. And I like taught myself how to use adobe like using mostly Youtube videos. So I like started making videos as well. that was like, really fun. But I think Ellyn Mendenhall: the main thing I took away from like that first job which I really did. I really loved the small team, and I feel like I learned a lot with also that like, you'll go really far, and your progress will Ellyn Mendenhall: show it. If you're you're willing to do any tasks like creating a video and designing a video that's really cool and fun. And you have a finished product at the end. showing people to the conference room because you're on this like 5 person marketing team and like you're helping out a partner with an event they're putting on. It's like less glamorous and like Ellyn Mendenhall: it's like, not Ellyn Mendenhall: necessarily like you're not seeing that at the time is like, Oh, that's really gonna help my career that I'm like, basically a tour guide or whatever But the willingness to do those types of activities and like, just show, and that's still facetime with a partner. And when you show yourself as someone who's willing to like learn anything, we'll try anything, we'll show up Ellyn Mendenhall: is like not too big for any task like I think that that also really helped me there And gave me the opportunity to do like more exciting things. Business Pathways: That's really solid advice on about looking at that. So e as you're listening to Ellen, talk about her journey and it talking about those things. If there are pieces about that career development about those choices that you want to ask her, please don't hesitate to drop a question into the Q and A for us, so that we can make sure that we get that addressed. E. You know one of the other pieces, I think, Ellen? And some of the panelists last night talked about this as well. Business Pathways: The that the stuff that you do outside of the classroom in college is also super important for developing in those skills. Right? I was talking with a student earlier today who Business Pathways: it's really interested in consulting. And I said, Well, have you joined one of the consulting clubs, you know, and they said, Oh, no, I I hadn't realized there were those kinds of options. And so, you know, finding something that's in your area of interest is a really important part. What kind of things were you involved in? And while you were in school up until you know when everything shut down. Yes. yeah, I think I and that is like, is it great? You guys just like, be super involved? Ellyn Mendenhall: I feel like I think about my schedule senior year, and I'm like, I don't even know how it is like living. because now I'm like, I have like a 9 to 5, and I feel like Ellyn Mendenhall: it's so hard. But I was like, I mean, college students. You guys are all a different breed. you can sleep less than other people, somehow. But I was involved in my sorority from freshman year on, and that, I think, brought a lot of leadership experience. I was a director of special events like my fresh, my sophomore year, I guess, and then I was president. My June, from my junior to senior year, like the Ellyn Mendenhall: January to December. And so that was like really challenging. It's definitely, really challenging position to be in Ellyn Mendenhall: with those like the sororities and fraternities are really big at I you But I learned a lot from that experience, and it's like hard to manage your peers. Ellyn Mendenhall: I also started working. I worked all 4 years like part time. I had like one job in the basement of wells in the scholars in if that's still there. Ellyn Mendenhall: and that was fun And then I also worked at the tennis center which I loved so much. if anyone ever wants to play a good game of tennis. Ellyn Mendenhall: I can no longer tell you what the student rate is, but I know it's discount, and I really cherish that experience, and I was promoted from, like the the front desk person, to like a program assistant, which was like Ellyn Mendenhall: in the in the Ellyn Mendenhall: in the office, and doing more like accounting and stuff. And that was really good experience. It's like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I think. Ellyn Mendenhall: whereas nothing I'm doing right now with the it has anything to do with tennis, and I I've never played tennis. I took a few lessons while I was working there. I have no tennis background. Ellyn Mendenhall: but I think just showing that you a like handled like I handle the course load extracurricular activities. And then also a job Ellyn Mendenhall: definitely like demonstrates like a lot of time management. for one. And also just like you can be like, responsible to like an actual job more so than just like classes. Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, that definitely like taught me a lot. And also just like I mean, like I was working with Ellyn Mendenhall: all these like real, real grown ups and like e-mail culture is like something that you have to learn in your first job, and I feel like I had a head start and like with internships, you learned that as well. So I also definitely like recommend like getting internships. But my internships Ellyn Mendenhall: we're not Ellyn Mendenhall: like I, Nan, need a few summers, and I my my one internship. Well, I one internship while I was abroad. I also did a stay abroad for a summer and then the other engine trip I had was with refugees for Catholic charities like with vulnerable care. Ellyn Mendenhall: So that was like really impactful. And in in in all kinds of ways but also like Ellyn Mendenhall: taught me a lot. Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, I don't know, like I don't think I could pinpoint one certain extracurricular and say, like that really helped me in my my job. I think it was like the combination of them. And there were other like clubs that, like Ellyn Mendenhall: I was in. But then take a leadership role in like I was in Iudm, and that was like really great and fun. but like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I've also seen people spread themselves, and I think I was nearing it, but I wasn't quite there. But if you spread to yourself too thin in terms of leadership roles, I think that you're not. Ellyn Mendenhall: That's you that you have not being as committed to the clubs as you as you hope to be, and and that can be hard. So I would say, like Ellyn Mendenhall: at this stage, as like as much as you can like. Involve yourself in as much as you as you can, but then, like pick the ones where you're like. This is really where I want to commit myself. Ellyn Mendenhall: whether it's a job or an extracurricular us, we're already for turn to be like. That's where I want to like. Show my leadership progression. I think if you pick something where you can show your growth over 4 years. That's what really matters. Business Pathways: Yeah. Well, I know. One of the conversations I have with soon today was talking about how they they're already starting to craft the story of resilience and change. And you know, yeah, pivoting right? Like that. Ability to pivot when life throws you a curve ball mean that that part, I think, is is a really important skill that employers are looking for. So, E Ellen, how did you decide then what was the Ellyn Mendenhall: driver to move from Chicago to New York, and to move from this financial law services firm into Goldman Sachs like, how did that all happen? Ellyn Mendenhall: I will say candidly, a little romantic. I did move, for I was in a long distance relationship. So I kind of got to the point where we were like. Ellyn Mendenhall: we've got to be in the same place. so I really wanted to move and Ellyn Mendenhall: my, the law firm. It was kind of a tough decision. They it was a smaller. It's a smaller firm, and they did offer like. They allowed me to move to New York, and they offered a little bit of a salary bump. But the cost of living in New York is just really, really difficult, and it is not the same as Chicago. So like, I just kind of needed something that I could live on. a little bit better. And so I like was applying to stuff Ellyn Mendenhall: And it was through a court recruiter that I ended up at Goldman. It is kind of still funny to me that I'm there. I never would have imagined it. I know it's like a lot of people. A lot of people really want to go there, but they want to go for banking like it's I'm not an investment banker. Ellyn Mendenhall: but I would just Ellyn Mendenhall: I really. I've I've been surprised by how much I've enjoyed it. it's definitely been really big in the writing for me, and that I love Ellyn Mendenhall: But I did leverage like it was a good bridge, because Chapman was the law firm was geared towards financial firms. So there was like a little bit. Yes, I was at a law firm, but Ellyn Mendenhall: it was finance focus. I have some background in that now. Ellyn Mendenhall: and it's like I, Ellyn Mendenhall: I have learned a lot about like finance. just through like absorbing it in those roles. And Ellyn Mendenhall: I, yeah, I would also like, I think that people get so Ellyn Mendenhall: focused on like, especially with Goldman. It's all about the bankers of the traders. But it's a huge organization, and there are recruiters. There's a lot of engineers. There's a lot of like all kinds. There's Comms people. There's like all kinds of roles in this like massive organization, and like throughout the the firm, there's like Ellyn Mendenhall: a great culture of like. Ellyn Mendenhall: really hard working. And like, really intelligent people that I've like, really enjoyed. So Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, it's it's been surprising in a lot of ways, because I definitely think I had a stigma about it like I had an idea of what I thought it would be, and it hasn't really been that at all, like I really enjoyed it. Ellyn Mendenhall: so yeah, I know Ellyn Mendenhall: my friends who did go to business school and and I laugh about how I really thought I would go change the world. And I'm not saying that you can't. I think everyone has the opportunity to, and if you want to go work for nonprofits, then you absolutely should. But I never would have thought that I would have ended up at Goldman. but there's still like a lot of and like a lot of what I learned in history, international studies still comes through like the biggest part of my job is like writing it a weekly email newsletter that's like Ellyn Mendenhall: global macro trends that often have international implications like the the piece that I was working on right before hopping on is like Ellyn Mendenhall: how Russia's actions in Ukraine impact oil prices, oil supply oil demand. And so like, I think Business Pathways: while I'm at a financial firm perspective. Now, I'm still like using the tools for my international studies and history background. Yeah, absolutely, we'd be using those that's really interesting. So and you said, you feel like you've kind of fallen into this marketing thing, and that you really want to guide your career in that way. You know what you talked about offering this newsletter working on email content. What are some other things that would like make up a regular week. Ellyn Mendenhall: you know, in your work. Ellyn Mendenhall: a lot of like really interesting part of my job is that Ellyn Mendenhall: like deal announcements? basically like Ellyn Mendenhall: when an Ipo, for example, is about to to price, or they're about to announce someone's budget as a merger or acquisition. Ellyn Mendenhall: the bankers like want to send that to their clients as soon as possible. just to like. Also, like kind of put a stamp on like, it's a very competitive industry. so they want to say, like. Ellyn Mendenhall: go like we were a part of this deal, because oftentimes, which is something I didn't know about. I've learned a lot, but something I didn't know is like a lot of times. There's like 5 banks involved in a deal, and there's certain positions that I like better leave left. But runner is the term I learned literally like two weeks ago, like, I'm still learning. But Ellyn Mendenhall: there's a lot of like Ellyn Mendenhall: I want to send out this email quicker than Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan. Because, like, I want clients to know that we were involved. Ellyn Mendenhall: And then also, like framing that email is like. Ellyn Mendenhall: oh, like, why, this transaction is significant, or like what our contribution was. Ellyn Mendenhall: so like. A lot of Ellyn Mendenhall: that is like on the fly, which is like kind of fun. You never know what deal is gonna happen. And I think there's Ellyn Mendenhall: we have like the same Ellyn Mendenhall: I like can't invest in the stock market because I have knowledge now, which is also crazy. But there, there's like kind of a need to know basis. So like Ellyn Mendenhall: I never know, I guess when the day starts, what Ellyn Mendenhall: that is gonna look like? but the newsletter itself. Then I can plan out like where it's like Monday. I'm selecting the topics Ellyn Mendenhall: where it's like, what's gonna be big. And sometimes, you know, like, okay, the Fed is going to make a decision on interest rates on Wednesday. That's probably in via section of the newsletter, or like, oh, it's it's almost Earth day, like, let's do an Esg sustainability like Ellyn Mendenhall: focused piece. Ellyn Mendenhall: so that like starts Monday, and then it's like drafting and stakeholder approvals Ellyn Mendenhall: throughout the week until like Friday night, is like basically scheduling because it's a Saturday newsletter But there's also like Ellyn Mendenhall: content strategy meetings, and like I don't, I don't let's see I I'll try to just think about what my one day today was like, because that will be a good gauge. But I would say Ellyn Mendenhall: there was like deals. But there is also like. Ellyn Mendenhall: Oh, we built this email subscription technology. And like, we're working through kinks on it, like I also think. Ellyn Mendenhall: And I'm on the cusp of Gen Z. So I claim that a little bit, but I think this generation will serve really well with Ellyn Mendenhall: like you'd be surprised. I was like, I'm not a tech person. Why am I making these decisions. But I think tech stuff happens in every single job. So when you have to be in it and to raise your hand and say, Let me figure it out like I feel like I understand this, and I think Ellyn Mendenhall: I would. I would tell everyone on this webinar you probably like have a good idea. And I'm not suggesting that older people don't. But like. Ellyn Mendenhall: if you think you have to figure out just like right ahead and say, like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I think that it could be this because you might be right. And if you're wrong, that's okay. You tried to help, and that like shows initiative. yeah, it can be so interesting. And there is still, like, I'm still early in my career. So there's also stuff where it's like Ellyn Mendenhall: you're supporting senior people on the team. So maybe that means you're booking the conference room, or you're scheduling meetings. And like, that's okay, too. so yeah. Business Pathways: there are all those kinds of things. So I think that's so interesting, you know, especially Business Pathways: they, the enticing part of having embargoed information and and what that's like, and and figuring out like the ethics behind that right, like a really huge core of ethics. So critical decision making the ability to kind of, you know. Business Pathways: think through what the different issues are of each piece of information that you're sharing. I think it's pretty critical, you know. Well, Ellen, I want to thank you so much for spending time with us today, and for sharing your thoughts and your insights. If you had a a piece or a couple of pieces of advice for these folks as they're looking for Business Pathways: major programs that would lead them towards a business realm. You know. Business Pathways: What advice would you have for them? How how should they make this decision. Next. Ellyn Mendenhall: I think I mean, I would say I would say, stay curious and focused on what you're interested in, because business is such a big. wide range. And I think even in banking, when I think about Ellyn Mendenhall: like there's Ellyn Mendenhall: there's health care bankers, and there's consumer bankers, and if you make yourself a specialist in a certain type of area that's also a great way to like get into business without Ellyn Mendenhall: and necessarily like a finance or business background. and like, I honestly think, like. Ellyn Mendenhall: maybe it's 5 to my current position, but like just keeping up to date with like the news, and like Ellyn Mendenhall: the the economy and like what things are going like reading a lot Ellyn Mendenhall: about what's like going on. And just like, really, really like the books that interest you honestly? because I think the reading and writing while they're like soft skills aren't going to go away anytime soon, like I know. AI AI scares me. It scares me about writing, but I think that there will be a human need for human right, like humans are going to want to read other humans, I have to believe that Ellyn Mendenhall: And so I think, like in your 4 years, I would also say. Ellyn Mendenhall: like, Okay, so I would say, like, focus on what you're passionate. Make yourself a specialist if you can, and like stay informed. But I would also say. Ellyn Mendenhall: work really closely with professors that you find fascinating like I mentioned to Ed, Lin and Thal. I literally just like took all of this classes because he taught them, and like showed up to office hours and talked to him And even now, like I've been in two jobs. If I wanted to go somewhere else like, I'd still rely on professors for reference letters. And that is like, and that's three years out. So like, I, I think that the relationship you build the professors are like really important. and it's also like a good. Ellyn Mendenhall: I wouldn't say even trial run. But it's it is kind of a good trial one for how you'll have relationship with your bosses, who, like will often serve as mentors as well. so like, just go to office hours, even if it's for one question, because oftentimes the perhaps we want to talk to you, and they want to get to know you. and I think that's especially true Ellyn Mendenhall: in classes with small sizes, like a lot of my history classes were under 20 students. so it's really easy to like make those connections. And they they. That's why they're professors, they they really want to get to know you. So I really take advantage of that. But then there's also like I'm calling my boss from the tennis center tomorrow about a question I have. And like, just like for general life advice. So there's like there's people who want to help you everywhere you look in Bloomington. It's like the best place on Earth. Ellyn Mendenhall: I'm going to visit Labor Day. I'm so excited. but like, yeah, I would I would take advantage of like Ellyn Mendenhall: everywhere you look like there's there's relationships you can build, and and those will really help you in in your progression as well. Business Pathways: That's so great, Ellen. That is rock solid advice. So you got a a thank you from Jenna. So saying, thank you, Ellen, so E. Let me add to that to say thank you so much. I truly appreciate you joining us, and it was such a pleasure to meet you and hear a little bit more about your story, and I I'll be in touch. Ellyn Mendenhall: Perfect, thank you. And I would say also to anyone who wants to to reach out. I feel like I rambled a lot. So if you have specific questions, I'm happy to talk, or do you want to talk about Goldman or law firms Ellyn Mendenhall: or history I am. I'm super happy to chat with anyone. So thank you. Megan, it was like great to all. You Business Pathways: absolutely thanks so much. Take care, Ellen. I have a few more things for folks that I want to share this evening. So Business Pathways: I'm gonna go ahead and share a couple of slides that I have prepared for you all, as you're kind of thinking through. What are the major programs you might be interested in now, certainly, having listen to Ellen and having listen to the panelists last night. Business Pathways: you could be sure in anything right, and still have a really successful career in business and pursue the things that you want to do, and I know it may not feel that way right now, but the reality is that employers are looking just for good people, right? Who have a series of skills. And so Business Pathways: all of the jobs that Indiana University are all posted on handshake, right? And so there's no secret file of jobs for one school versus another school versus the college. Anything like that? They're all in the one place. So I think one of the things to think about is what is something that you know, that you would show a lot of strength in, and something that you would enjoy right, because that's what's going to keep you curious and keep you flexible. And as Ellen talked about, those are a lot of the skills that are going to make you really successful in that work. Business Pathways: So if you're struggling to kind of try to figure out, okay, what is a major program that I could pursue, or what is the next thing that I could do? Business Pathways: I wanted to give you a couple of different ideas, just to be sort of thinking about and thinking too like, what would your next steps be right like? What would be the next thing that you would want to do in in order to move forward at this progress. The first thing right now is really identifying one or two major programs right? Looking through the different majors that I, you checking out the different programs. Business Pathways: I think a lot of times. What happens is that when you have to pivot in the environment that you're in, you suddenly start talking to a lot of friends and a lot of folks, and if everybody's kind of going in one direction, you think well, maybe that would be a good direction for me, too. Now that can work really well. If you're not actually interested in that major program, then that's probably not the right fit for you, right? So you want to find something that kind of hooks you that gives you a little bit interested, and so Business Pathways: just kind of taking a look to see if you were a student who was playing on major and finance, or accounting or marketing. These are some of the different degree plans that I you that could line you up for a super successful career in those areas. There's a public financial management degree out of the O'neal school. That degree itself is put is focused on public governmental type finance issues. But the skill set is very, very much the same Business Pathways: economics degree. A data science degree. One of the things that we've been hearing a lot about Ellen even mentioned is the AI component. And so, understanding a little bit more about that, and about the massive impact that that's going to have on the world. Economy moving forward can be really important. And even in finance it' be pretty comprehensive to get an idea of how these algorithms are built about how data can be crunched to make those decisions Business Pathways: for different organizations that are making financial decisions. So data, science could be something to take a look at. And if you want, you also could plan to do an extra year of a grad program. And there are a couple of different grad programs. The two that I've listed here are grad programs that are in the Kelly school and acceptance into graduate school Business Pathways: is a separate process than separate. Then going into an undergraduate program, right? It's a completely separate piece. So in graduate school, they're gonna look just at the body of your academic work. So they are going to look at the freshman through the junior senior year. How you performed what the grade trends were, what the courses were that you took all of those different things. So there is a masters of science and finance program that's available. Business Pathways: and a masters of science and accounting and data analytics. So if you were interested in accountancy, if you were interested in finance, those might be grad programs that would be of real interest to you. Both of those programs are stem certified as well, which can be really helpful if that's an important component of your educational experience. So the marketing degrees. There are lots of different degrees that relate to marketing. And I, this is just a small number of them. Business Pathways: There's a media advertising degree. But within the media school itself they have a whole series of different specializations like this, interactive and digital media managing media. They have media degrees that focus on the campaign specifically, or that focus on production specifically. So there's lots and lots of ways Business Pathways: to get into those marketing arenas is that's an area of interest for you. Out of the school there is a merchandising major that is focused on retail merchandising that has many, many similar characteristics to the marketing major. Business Pathways: and so merchandising might be a program that you'd want to take a look at as well, and all you would need to do is take the name of this degree, and Google merchandising, I, you, Bloomington, and then see what comes up right? Business Pathways: So you could take a look and see and go into the academic bulletin, which is what I'm talking about right here, right the academic bulletin piece, and see what that next class might be. So for merchandising the course, is the school of art, architecture and design. So it's so add M. For merchandising 109 right like. That's the first next course Business Pathways: that you would take if you were interested in that degree program specifically. But each one of these major programs will have that next class that you'll take in order to get familiar with the content and familiar with the particular degrees that are available in there for School of Public Health, there will be a course, that you would take next for sports, marketing and management for organizational and business psychology. Go in and look and see it's offered out of the psychology department. What's the next class that would you be taking for that? Specifically, you can also go ahead and take a look at one of the different Kelly miners. There are 4 of them, and there are also actually 2 certificates, one in business foundations and one in entrepreneurship. The Kelley minors themselves are programs that only require around seven classes, and you've likely already taken at least one Business Pathways: as a part of that. So that's an important piece to some of the other programs that I pulled that were really really helpful for students to kind of think about as you're looking at this include things that would relate to the supply chain area with in the economics and quantitative methods degree. Again, with data science statistics. Business Pathways: And then, if you want to add a graduate program to that, an Ms. And supply chain Ms. And business analytics, information systems itself. Business Pathways: It's a fantastic joint degree that is, out of the Hamilton Luger School and the lettuce school. That is a cyber security and global policy degree. That is a really really cool option as well. There's the informatics degree. If you're more interested in the human side of data and managing those systems. Business Pathways: There is the straight out computer science degree that students are looking at. And then out of the O'neal school. There is also a health care, management and policy. So you know, when Ellen was talking about getting some specific Business Pathways: information or knowledge base, like becoming an expert in that area. It was really interesting to hear her say that because there was a student last night who works for Avi in sales right? It's a pharmaceutical company, and Business Pathways: he had done an undergraduate degree in biology, had then done the center for the business of life sciences through the Kelley School, because it's open to any student in any major, and then he'd focus down on getting this job with Abbey. But his biology degree kind of put him ahead of other students who were interested in those jobs. So if you're going to be working with a firm or an organization that has Business Pathways: health care division and perhaps centering in on something like healthcare management might make a lot of sense for what you want to do so. And certainly healthcare is going to continue to be an incredibly important industry area. As we move forward. International business, lots of other arenas as well. The policy analysis and the public affairs degrees are out all this, the Neil School. There's an international law and institutions degree, and then international studies degrees. Those are both out of the Hamilton Luger School, and then in economics and political science degree. The student that I mentioned previously, or the alum who was on the call last night, who works as a pricing analyst for United. That was the degree program that he did actually was economics and political science. Business Pathways: and then many, many, many majors within the management area. Specifically so. Business Pathways: A human resource management major out of the O'neal school management, human organization is out of the College of Arts and Sciences. There's an arts management, Major. Like, if you're really interested in the performing arts or cultural events, that sort of thing, and you're interested in getting into, say, like venue management or running a gallery, something along those lines that Arts management degree could be a really great next step. Business Pathways: So all of these different pieces can be combined, then, with a Kelly minor. There's no application process for the killing minor. You simply re complete the requirements for it, file the paperwork, and you'll have a minor the way that you'll use the minor is to put it on your resume, so you'll put on your resume the title of your undergraduate degree, and then you would say. You know, minor in business or minor and marketing, or minor and entrepreneurship from the Kelley School. Business Pathways: So that's how you will position that it gives you just a little bit of additional business texture to your degree, and it will be actually minors will be noted on your transcript. So the certificates will actually not be noted on the Transcript, but you would still include a certificate on your resume as a part of that. and I'm joined this evening by one of my colleagues from the Career Development Center on Campus. Mary Claire and she and I were talking right before we started, and one of the things, she said, is, we have career coaches standing by, who have open appointments. Business Pathways: who are available to talk to students. And so you could actually even talk to a career coach to help you kind of organize your thoughts about. Okay, this is what I'm interested in doing. This is what I've been really fascinated by, or this is something I know I don't want to do. What's my next step? What other things could I consider? And so Business Pathways: I would ask that Mary Claire, if you don't mind dropping into the chat to everyone. If you could take a look in there and take a peek, she can put some information in there about how to get connected with a career coach, you would simply go to the handshake website, and then there'll be information there about how to connect with that coach, and so that could be a really important place as well to get that information. So so what I'd like to do right now is, pause for a moment and see what kind of questions are coming into the Q. A. And what are the things we might be able to answer for you all. Business Pathways: Don't hesitate to drop this right in. Business Pathways: Look here, real quick. Business Pathways: Okay. Business Pathways: Take a peak here. Questions. Here's a question. Business Pathways: Okay. I saw in line that you could get multiple Kelley minors I didn't want to confirm if you knew. That's a great question. I I think that you can. But once you go in and take a look at the different Kelly miners. What you're going to see is that Business Pathways: for most of them there are two or three classes that are very, very much the same, like a 200 right is an accounting course. That's a full semester accounting for that you would take, and then K 201, which all of you have likely taken. And then that's when the differentiation starts with the majors, because there are several different ones. So Business Pathways: so I think that you can do more than one. I'm not sure that it's a benefit to you really like. If you have one, you may not need the additional one, but if you wanted to, you certainly could. So I so that's a really great question. You could also reach right out to your academic advisor and get the very, very specific information about that, Brennan. So thank you for asking that I really appreciate it. there's a question about doing double majors like maybe economics and psychology. That sounds like an amazing con combination. I love that. That would be a conversation to have with your academic advisor as well about how to line that up. Business Pathways: The good news is, you could actually do those degree programs. And since they are both out of the College of Arts and Sciences. There's going to be some pretty significant double dipping that you're going to be able to do so, Jenna, you're wondering, can you double, major and have a minor? And Kelly? Yeah, yeah, you absolutely can. So what I would say is, go ahead and plan to take that next minor course for Kelly next fall. Right? Business Pathways: Get back to campus that a 200 is going to be a good course to get enrolled in, because it's required, for I think almost all 4 of those miners. But if you go on to and I will put this into the chat if you go into the business pathways website, there's a place that links to the descriptions of the miners, and you can dive into that and take a look at those pieces. So hang on just a minute. So the first thing I want to pop in here is the link to the Career Development Center. And there's information there, right on that. First about how to get connected with your career. coach, it says, connect with your career coach, and then the other piece Business Pathways: is. oh. Business Pathways: I you dot you Business Pathways: this path. Business Pathways: Take a look at that. Now somebody open that free and make sure that that goes exactly where we need it to go. I'm pretty sure that's right. Business Pathways: but I just want to make sure. Business Pathways: And that has a lot of the information about the minor. So. Oh, Jenna, you're so welcome. Great! Business Pathways: That's so great. excellent. Business Pathways: So e tell me a little bit in the Q and A. What kind of programs I heard economics and psychology. What other things are you thinking about? Like, even if it's two or three things at this point? That's okay. What are their major programs are you considering? Business Pathways: Go ahead and load that right into the Q and A. Business Pathways: Yup. That is the right link. I just checked it myself, and that is indeed, the right link to get to those miners so great the management, the Spa or sports management awesome. So one of those is in the in your school. And one of those is in the school public health. It is absolutely great. You could actually reach out Business Pathways: to both of those areas to get additional information about those programs and to learn a little bit more about it. So I think that part would be really, really smart to do. And let's see, planning right now, getting a major and management and minors in business and marketing. It was marketing, and a minor and Econ originally, that all sounds fabulous, and that's a great plan. Here's the thing with these plans, folks. Business Pathways: You're gonna end up with the same jobs that you would have had regardless. So that's the really cool part of this, and I've been talking with quite a few alumni over the last couple of weeks who have had majors outside Business Pathways: of the the business specific degrees. And they're doing exactly the same work right? And in some instances what they've told me is they think it's a real benefit, because this is actually what their differentiator is. Business Pathways: You know, they're not coming out of a business specific degree. They've been able to hone in to have some other area of specialty that they can bring to the table. So it was interesting to hear Ellen talk about that, especially when I had just heard that from the long previously. So those are great plans. I love that. I think the other piece, too, that I I didn't get a chance to ask Ellen about was the importance of that study of broad experience. I think that's the other thing to talk to your advisor about and to talk to you. Business Pathways: One of these school specific advisors like, go to talk to someone in O'neal or go to talk to someone in school, public health and say, like, what kind of alternative programs do you have for study abroad like, Do you have summer programs or short term programs or long term? Because that international experience can also be a huge differentiator for you as a part of that process. So absolutely. Business Pathways: I think these are really good paths. Well, just so that you all know Business Pathways: my name is Megan Ray, and I'm working on these Business Pathways as a part of this process. And so if you want to reach out and have more conversations about these or brainstorm. Other ideas. I would tell you. Probably the best people to do this with will be the career coaches. So they are really excellent at this and their actual professionals. But I also am happy to make myself available to have a conversation with you. And so I'm gonna put the dispatch email address into this chat for you all. You also got the announcement for this webinar this evening from that business path email. So that's exactly where you could reach me. if you want to set up a time to chat a little bit more, or if you want to drop me a line, you know, in a couple of weeks and say, Hey, this is the plan that I came up with. I think that part would be really exciting. So I appreciate you all taking the time to come out you this morning or this evening or this afternoon, wherever you are in the world watching this. I really appreciate your investment in this, and I'm excited for you. I think there's going to be some really cool things that you're going to uncover as part of this process. Just let me know if I I could be of help in any way. Oh, you're so welcome, Jenna, absolutely. Business Pathways: absolutely. You will take care, and I, if I don't hear from you shortly, then certainly have a very good weekend, and hopefully we'll hear from you in the next couple of weeks. Thanks so much. Have a good night.