Study business at one of IU's top schools

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Megan Ray: Great. And if it's okay with you all, and I can turn this off, if it's not, I'd love to record this if you all. Don't mind. So if you'd rather me not. That's okay. So just raise your hand. If you would rather me not record.

Megan Ray: Okay. Seeing no hands raised. We will move forward so, and Hi! Welcome to our participants who are coming in. I'm really glad to see you all here, so wonderful. Angel and Cal, Amy, Andy Akash, James. Great! Thank you so much. Hi, Katie! Glad that you all are joining us. Luke

Megan Ray: Liam Shawn. Hi! Hello! Welcome! Well, my name is Megan Ray, and I'm your moderator this evening for this panel, and I am so excited because we have some amazing, incredibly accomplished alumni who are here with us this evening. We're going to talk a little bit about their roles, about their major programs that I you. But what they did to get themselves successful and into the places where they are. So

Megan Ray: what I'd love to do is, have you all go ahead and introduce yourselves and Aly, if we want to start with you, and then we'll go to Fuhong, and then to James Alyssa Claymiller: Awesome. Well, I'm super happy to be here with you all today. My name is Alyssa. I'm from outside of Fort Wayne and graduated from IU in 2019. Alyssa Claymiller: and I work at intuitive surgical. We have a surgical robot. So a lot of people think that it's the robot doing surgery. But it's actually the surgeon who is is doing that just gets them some more precision and control. and I originally wanted to be an optometer. So I studied science, and we can maybe get into that later. But how I made this the decision to get more of a business row.

Fuhang Mou: Everybody. I'm Sue Hong, Mo. I graduated from IU in 2020. I studied biotechnology. And after I graduated I moved to Chicago to work at Abbey and V is a pharmaceutical company. We have Fuhang Mou: products like humor and botox. those are like 2 of our most

Fuhang Mou: well known products. So I started in marketing, went to market research. And now I am in the sales in Raleigh, North Carolina. So happy to be back at.

Fuhang Mou: are you with you all?

James Markwith: Hi, everyone I'm James Mark with also located in Chicago now, but originally from Seattle. Washington, Graduated from Indiana, first in 2021, and then again in 2022 after grad school. Now I work here in Chicago for United headlines. So happy to be here excited for this pad.

Megan Ray: Well, thank you all so much. I really appreciate it. So the first thing I'd like to do is a ask you all about the undergraduate major if you each chose a different undergraduate major to go into. And so how did you pick that major program? And then from that.

Megan Ray: how did you then decide to either move into the work that you're doing right like, what area of that, or what led you then into the grad school route right out of that. So. And, James, if you want to go ahead and start since you. You just spoke last, and then we'll go to Fuhong. And then Alyssa, that'd be great.

James Markwith: Yeah, sure. So an undergrad. I studied economics and political science, and you know I had a minor in business, but I I really wanted to kind of grow the the business side of my you know, education and knowledge a little more So I did the one year masters of Science and finance program through Plus Kelley

James Markwith: after finishing that, you know, I wanted to kind of go into the corporate world, you know. Try it out. And about a year in at United Airlines here in Chicago. I do. It United is, for it's called pricing and revenue management. James Markwith: And so it's pretty related more to the econ side of my background. James Markwith: you know, revenue revenue management's looking at demand and setting fares. And you know, making sure that we maximize revenue essentially. James Markwith: so it's you know it's been. It's been closely tied to my education you know, the whole way through. But Is there any other part of that question I missed. I can't.

Megan Ray: You did. Great. That was awesome. Thank you. And I'd like to go ahead and encourage our attendees who are watching. If you have questions, go ahead and put those into the Q and A. Specifically, that'll be really helpful for us in terms of getting those answered so excellent. Okay.

Fuhang Mou: So I When I first started at Iu, I wanted to be a physician, right? So I I took the pre-med courses. I kind of followed the traditional path of Fuhang Mou: like a science curriculum, right deep science. And then somewhere along the line, I discovered that the business side was more. Yeah, you know, plays better to my strength, and it's an area that I felt I was better able to contribute to this life science, ecosystem, the business side of life sciences. So I study more Fuhang Mou: business that I, you, and kind of work to connect the science aspect of my science, major curriculum, and then my business curriculum, my business courses together, and Fuhang Mou: once I graduated from my you, of course, I went into marketing. I have this. So a business role in a science company and and I mean, that's what I've been doing ever since.

Alyssa Claymiller: So for me, a very similar story. I was Alyssa Claymiller: originally start off as biology and decide to transition, to exercise science to my my my pre-re Alyssa Claymiller: requirements for optometry school, and it was around my junior year. I think I started it. Maybe sophomore year started to like, have that little voice in the back of my mind. That was during the question. If I really did want to become an optometrist and started looking in a bit more to the business side. And even because I kind of had my blinders on for a long time like I wanted to do optometry, that's all I wanted to do. Alyssa Claymiller: And anyone who goes pre-med or pre-physical therapy knows that Alyssa Claymiller: all of those kind of decisions start a long time ago, like in high school, so it can be really hard to change your mind. but I think it's really important to listen to like your gut instincts and what you feel. because I'm really grateful for my science background. But and I think it's really helped in the career that I have now. But Alyssa Claymiller: but I I was starting to realize as I was preparing for up optometry school. I was starting to think I like. Well, I was like, maybe, like, you know, later on, after practicing for a while, I can like be one of those doctors who like helps with the pharmaceuticals of things that or is like the. Alyssa Claymiller: Sometimes there's physicians who Alyssa Claymiller: have a big influence on the research piece. Alyssa Claymiller: and I started to realize that I could just go right into medical device or pharmaceuticals. So I think that was what I decided that Alyssa Claymiller: that it was easier just to go with that route, then to go all the way through school and go a half 1 million, or like quarter 1 million in debt. Before coming to that conclusion. Megan Ray: It was a good thing. You caught yourself, Alyssa, probably right like in that process. So so one of the things that I think is is on the mind of the students observing this, they're all interested in business, right in some way, shape or form. Megan Ray: and are looking for a business degree outside of what the traditional business degrees are at the Kelley School. And so a couple of you have this sciences background. James. You have this background in econ and political science. But I'm wondering, too, just broadly. Are there folks around you who you know, who you work with, who are coming from different backgrounds other than a straight business degree who are doing things in your areas? And and if so, what were some of those paths? So that we can kind of open that up?

Fuhang Mou: I think those people that I work with now in my sales capacity and then in my marketing and market research capacity

Fuhang Mou: of of all backgrounds. Right? I I think once I I mean, once you graduate and you enter the corporate world, you realize that you're gonna meet people with all different sorts of majors. Yes, there is going to be a lot of business majors. But there's also going to be science, major political science. There's going to be everything. And it's really up to you at that point, to make sure that you are able to, you know, grow, grow in your role, learn what you need to to be successful in your role. It's really Fuhang Mou: I may may be the major right, your your college degree, your major, is the. Fuhang Mou: It's the thing to get you into the door in a corporate Urban America Company. But once you're in the door, it's really up to you to sustain your success and your learnings there. Megan Ray: If you want to add to that. Alyssa Claymiller: I would agree that in my ever since graduating college I've worked with people who come from all different Alyssa Claymiller: backgrounds, and it really is it? Alyssa Claymiller: It's more than just what your degree is on paper. It's it's the different Alyssa Claymiller: multifaceted type people that a strong organization wants to attract Alyssa Claymiller: and if they're only looking for one specific type of person or specific background, it's probably not a very diverse company. or doesn't value those kind of mindsets. So Alyssa Claymiller: I think that. like the degree that's on your paper isn't the end. I'll be all James Markwith: yeah, I'd completely agree. I'd say, speaking from experience at United. I know many people who they do have business degrees. I know many people who don't, or you know, social sciences, and what not James Markwith: I would say that most of the people that even if they had the business degree, what makes them stand out is they're interviewing skills. Their personality, like other, you know, aspects of the interview process, or being a good candidate, that kind of actually get you that job. So James Markwith: you know, if you. James Markwith: If you do end up getting a business degree, you're interested. That's great. It's gonna certainly, you know. Teach you things that will help you in the future. But even if you don't, you know, you can be successful regardless, that's what I Megan Ray: let's talk about what some of those skills and things are that you have to actually lean into right, like the other stuff that you did outside of the classes in your undergrad experiences. And I, too, hung. I'm gonna start with you. You know what were the things that you did outside of academics that help get you ready for where you are right now and then James will circle to you and then to Alyssa. Fuhang Mou: yeah, Megan, I think there was a lot of like leadership. Right? How do you work in a team. How do you work with other people? I think it's exactly what James just alluded to. Right? It's a lot of the kind of the social interactions that you're gonna have with the different people you're working with. Right? When you enter a corporate company, there's going to be a lot of different teams, a lot of different players with a lot of different opinions. And it's all about, how do you navigate the Fuhang Mou: the relationships that you're gonna have with each one of them, and that they have with each other. So it's a lot of I I think college is a great time to help, you understand. And really hone in on your kind of a relationship management. You're kind of, you know. Fuhang Mou: social navigating. And and that's gonna be really beneficial. As you enter the corporate world. Alyssa Claymiller: So some things I was involved in outside the classroom. I worked at the study of broad office after I studied abroad. And I found that that gave me a lot of great skills that I use in my career today. We would have Alyssa Claymiller: if you've ever seen like the tables out, for I use study abroads like that used to be me behind that table we did a lot of outreach and helping with the financial aid and their application process. Once they decide, they wanted to study brought and usually it. It's somewhat of a long planning process. Alyssa Claymiller: you know, at least 6 months before someone studies abroad and helping them get all the puzzle pieces put together for that to happen. You know their financial aid, or the classes going through even the nitty-gritty like, what do I pack like? How do I do this and that make a bank account when you get there? So helping people through that I feel like has helped me in what I do now, which Alyssa Claymiller: we help train the surgeons to do the robot surgery. And essentially it's again like a very long process, like there has to be a lot of ducks in a row, and so I feel like that was beneficial. Alyssa Claymiller: And then other than that I think. Alyssa Claymiller: find something you're passionate about and try to get a leadership role in it. I mean, it doesn't matter if it's in a real volleyball, and you're the team lead. Just find something that you're passionate about, because little examples like that can go a long way to in an interview. James Markwith: Yeah, I completely agree with what Alyssa said. Something I add on to that is just connect with your professors. You know they're a great resource. I had the opportunity of working pretty closely with Professor Broth. I don't know if anyone's here has had any experience with him. he taught introductory micro and macro James Markwith: And so I was a ugi for that class for about 2 years. And you know, through some I had a a good relationship with him, and just he kind of helped me along in a later years of college. So just connect with your professors especially use Linkedin. James Markwith: if you don't have a Linkedin account, you should definitely make one James Markwith: and also utilize handshake. So the school gives you a lot of tools for, you know, getting a job or networking, and I just recommend utilizing them. Megan Ray: You know, I really interested you talked about the networking stuff, and and these are students who are going into the start of the sophomore year. So networking is something they're familiar with. But Megan Ray: it's also probably still pretty dag on intimidating, right as you're going through that process when you're thinking about that. what was one of the things that you use like a tip or a trick that you use that you felt like. Once I figured this out it was a whole lot easier for me so, and I'll start with Alyssa, and then we'll go to Fuhong. And then, James. Alyssa Claymiller: so do you mean in terms of networking? Yeah, like either a conversation star or maybe that you had, or a story that you told about your experiences that helped connect, like all of those different things. Alyssa Claymiller: awesome, I think I think Alyssa Claymiller: bringing humor into it is always easy, or I, when your first meeting someone, sometimes even Alyssa Claymiller: just noting something that's happening around you can give you something quick to mutually bond over Alyssa Claymiller: whether I mean, like you're waiting in line for the bus or just anything. You can really start a conversation with anybody if you want But I would say also, just like as soon as you can just find mutual ground. And I feel like that helps people connect right off the back. Fuhang Mou: I I think it's just about like Fuhang Mou: getting used to the flow of these networking conversations right like when you're entering these networking conversations and making sure you understand what you want out of the conversation, and how Fuhang Mou: the conversation can move towards that. Right? Yes, you, wanna, you know, find what you have in common right to make the conversation a little more personable, and, and, you know, build the connection, but also make sure you keep in mind, and are moving a conversation towards the questions you want to ask right that are important to your career. The the reason why you're networking with them. So keep the end in mind and you know, over time. The more these kind of cold networking calls you have with people, the more familiar you'll be with the Fuhang Mou: the flow of it. I mean, they're all pretty similar. And and people people have advice they want to share. So make sure you are able to effectively listen. But James Markwith: yeah, I agree with what Fuhong and Alyssa said. And just to add on, I would say, You know, do your research? you know you don't want to be asking questions that James Markwith: you could find in a quick Google search. Or, if you know, if they've made it pretty obvious in their like profile, if you're doing a cold cold email or cold Linkedin message to someone. if you're trying to, you know, reach that connection. so you just want to kind of be prepared essentially. James Markwith: you know. Know what they do, what kind of sector they're in, maybe. I think a list all alluded to this. Just be caught up on current news in their sector. If you know, something big's happening in that industry just know about it. Maybe bring it up as a touching point. It could be as a starter for a conversation. Megan Ray: when you are doing that kind of research, James, and thinking about that right? Because I think that's so important to personalize the conversation. And you know not that you have to become a expert on their mission statement on their website or anything like that, but certainly reading it and understanding what things are important to the values of the company. Where did you get that kind of information. Were you just a Google fiend during that period of time? Or were you like using some other sort of process to figure that out? James Markwith: you know, using various new sort news websites, you know, if it's a finance related interview, you know, looking at Bloomberg, or, you know, financial times. I I believe our the Masters program gave us a free subscription in the financial time. So that was quite helpful in a few cases. other than that. Just Linkedin's James Markwith: obviously great James Markwith: posts in that industry, you know, you can see you can search that on there. But Google also always does the job. So where wherever you can find it, basically. Megan Ray: absolutely, we've had a question now from one of our attendees. That, I think, is a really strong one, and the question is, if you were in your sophomore year today, what would you do different than how it panned out for you, and why so? And, Alyssa, you have the unfortunate luck of being off on your mic right now. So I'm going to tag you first. Alyssa Claymiller: my sophomore year. I would. One thing that seems kind of random, but I probably would do it probably live a bit closer to campus, because I think Alyssa Claymiller: I've lived a little far off that year, and I feel like I could have been more involved on campus if I was closer, but I was kind of at the mercy of whatever the 9 bus or whatever I was on, whenever I could go on to campus and then also. Alyssa Claymiller: probably, if I wouldn't have the foresight. At that point I would have probably slowed down a bit on my science courses and trying to get a business minor Alyssa Claymiller: because I was close to having a business minor. I think I had pretty much everything besides accounting, and maybe like one of the Alyssa Claymiller: like, either Mac or micro Econ. One of those I was like pretty close to just being able to have a minor which doesn't Alyssa Claymiller: you know, like. Alyssa Claymiller: make or break like where I ended up today or anything, but I think it could have given me some insight that'd be helpful. Alyssa Claymiller: because. Alyssa Claymiller: yeah, ultimately, some of the science classes I was taking were pre-rex that I didn't end up meeting. But everything all happens for a reason, and I think some of those classes probably help me today, too. So but I I think just listening to the voice like, if you have doubts about where you're going. Alyssa Claymiller: have a conversation about Alyssa Claymiller: someone who's in that position and see how they really feel about it, because that was what started to change the script for me. you know, I spoke to some people in the the dream job I wanted. Alyssa Claymiller: and was finding out that they were as happy. And it is, I think I was hoping they would be so I think that's really important, too, is just asking them some of the the real questions. Alyssa Claymiller: If you need help deciding. Megan Ray: I think that's great. So what would you do if you could turn back time? Fuhang Mou: Me and I I think I would do exactly what I did. I I think sophomore year for me. I. I was like freshman year. I was like, Okay, I want to be a physician. And then, towards the end of freshman year, moving into sophomore year, I was like, Okay, maybe there are things outside of being a physician that I wanted to explore. So I spent maybe half a semester finding out. But I, if I wanted to be a lawyer? Right? And so the answer to that was, no. And then I Fuhang Mou: it's the business side of life sciences, and and I mean here I am now so sophomore year for me. It was like a Fuhang Mou: like a a time of career exploration. I think I I mean that that's important, right? As you determine what path you're going to take for the rest of college. And thereafter Megan Ray: that's a great point. So, and you you mentioned the life sciences, and I know that you and Alyssa both became involved in the Center for the Business of Life Sciences which is housed in the Kelley School, and it's open to students of any major program at I you, what was that experience like for you like, what do you feel like you got out of Cdl. Fuhang Mou: It it it was good. I I I think the center really gave students a good Fuhang Mou: understanding and contacts of how the life sciences, industry operates. So there's 2 courses. When when Alyssa and I were in the program, right? And and in each of these classes, industry, professionals from every single area of the industry would come in and talk to you about Fuhang Mou: what they did, and and that gave us great understanding into the rep, the the possibilities and and the options of jobs are out there. I I think normally, people just think of like, maybe like marketing finance right? But there's so many other things in the life, sciences, industry, that the courses in the center really gave us exposure to that. I was Fuhang Mou: very helpful. And then there were, I mean at Abbey right there were. There was a speaker that came from Abbey that spoke in one of our classes, and I mean I've been at the. Now I've been connecting with her. So it's important, right in that working to keep the connection Fuhang Mou: going into yeah, to just lean into the resources that you have around you to have that connection? Megan Ray: Okay. Alyssa Claymiller: a hundred percent agree. Alyssa Claymiller: What was one of my favorite things about that program? Was it opened my eyes to so many positions that I didn't even realize were available. I came from a small town in Indiana, and you know, realistically like. Alyssa Claymiller: if you were one of the brighter kids they kind of were like, Okay, you give me a doctor, a lawyer that was kind of like the like Alyssa Claymiller: we'll have they put you down so. But when I I realized that there was so much more because it brings you through everything from research, like the years and years of research that happens before I met even gets to the stage where it can get FDA approved. They had people from the FDA come in, and then Alyssa Claymiller: go into all the different types of medications and devices that are out there. and then even post-market stuff. So it really gives you a broad Alyssa Claymiller: idea of what all is out there. The other thing I really like to is that it is like professionals out there. I think sometimes. Alyssa Claymiller: you know, we just have our professors like for the whole semester, and we've got it was either two or three different presentations in each class. Alyssa Claymiller: that we're all from people out in the field, out in their profession. So I feel like you just got such like excitement and breath from that and it's also like an amazing networking opportunity. So that's that was one of the main reasons that I decided to change my mind and go more that direction, because I like found myself being excited to go to that class. Megan Ray: Hmm! Megan Ray: That's a good, a good indicator, and James will turn back time with you for a minute. If there's anything with the sophomore year that you could remember that you'd change as a part of that process. James Markwith: I kinda I agree with. what Fuhong, said I, I wouldn't change a thing. I certainly, you know, made mistakes earlier in college of taking a class. I shouldn't have you know, or whatever you want to say, but and roadblocks that came up, but you know they were all important, and, you know, led me to where I am so happy where I am. So I don't want to change anything Megan Ray: so out of the major programs that you all did, or your grad program also, James? In your instance, what were some of the courses that were really really helpful for you? That you were like, yeah, this really worked James Markwith: absolutely is one that stands out. Kinda got me proficient in excel and excel is used in every company. Just you gotta know. Excel. So if you want to go into business pick up that skill another one James Markwith: this is undergrad. Only us, right? So you could also add a course or 2 that you had in your grad program that you were like this just locked it down for me. Yeah, sure. So one in grad school that I took was called cloud based analytics. And it went into using power bi and some sequel skills. So those are becoming more and more important in James Markwith: a lot of businesses being able to analyze James Markwith: pull data, analyze data and visualize it. So those kind of skills will never go out of style. Basically. So I, you know, try to pick up at least one of those James Markwith: other courses that I just enjoyed. you know, that helped me James Markwith: intellectually, was just philosophy. I love philosophy got So reading that kind of stuff was a a a joy James Markwith: absolutely. How do you see how that exploration into philosophy has helped you now like, in terms of what you do day to day, whether it's work related or quality of life related quite frankly, because I think there's a piece of that, too. James Markwith: this one class. I took. You had to write a paper every week. It was about a 10 page paper every week, so I got a lot better at writing that semester. certainly. You have to write a lot in business, you need to, you know. Write drafts or put together a, you know, an email, professional email toward someone, maybe higher up. And it's gotta, you know, look good and sound. Good. So. James Markwith: yeah. Megan Ray: absolutely. And Alyssa were there courses that were stand out for you during your time. Alyssa Claymiller: so what helps me a lot in my current position is my, it's like anatomy. It was a teaching system for that that has really helped me. I think also, this is speech debate. Type classes can be helpful to Alyssa Claymiller: to learn how to like, take any kind of topic like they could throw at you, and and Alyssa Claymiller: come up with your opinion on it, I think, is helpful, too. Megan Ray: absolutely too long. What do you think? What were some classes that were stand out. Fuhang Mou: I think, other than the 2 center for the business of life sciences, courses where the different professionals came in. I took a class in the own new school on the pharmaceutical industry, and I think that was really helpful, right? So that gave me a good Fuhang Mou: understanding of how a drug kind of move through moves through the pipeline all the different players of it. formulary. Fuhang Mou: just a lot of different things that are, you know, pillars and the pharmaceutical industry, and and gives me a good foundation going into the industry. Megan Ray: So in that shift gears here just a little bit, let's say you talked about a study of broad experience, and I'd love for you to elaborate more on that. And if if either of you, who Hong or James have experiences like that, you want to say, or if you want to encourage a student to do it. please. By all means, I share that, you know. as we're going through that. But Alyssa's talk a little bit about that like what you got out of that experience. Megan Ray: what kind of stories it gave you to talk to folks about. And then you know, what should people think about if they're thinking about doing a study of broad type experience. Alyssa Claymiller: Yeah. So I actually got to study. Read twice. I did a short term study abroad, after my freshman year of college to the Dominican Republic, and it covered culture. in history. I forget it, was it? Alyssa Claymiller: It satisfied one of my general education requirements, I forget exactly which one, but I think probably the most fun way to cover that credit. So that was my first time out of the country. So that was an amazing experience, and we got to go all around the country of getting seen different sites. And then I did a semester study abroad to Australia, which was absolutely amazing. I don't think anything will ever live up to it in my whole life. Alyssa Claymiller: But what some of this skills that I gain from that that I could bring up and interviews is it really shows that you're adaptable and willing to accept change and inherently you just the more you see of the world the more you understand and can can have like Alyssa Claymiller: things to speak about with, you know. I'll run in or like, say, I meet someone from New Zealand, and I can talk about my. The time that I said to broaden was over there, too. It just really makes the world feel more connected. And getting to see different ways of life. It's always really helpful for Alyssa Claymiller: for setting abroad. This sooner you can start planning the better. I'm actually a big proponent of trying to study abroad as early as possible, because it makes it easier with your credit. transfers, because the longer you wait, the more specific Alyssa Claymiller: kind of classes you're getting into at the end of your Major, so in the beginning is definitely a good way to do it, and a lot of your scholarships can go a broader detail if you do. Alyssa Claymiller: Of those. Fuhang Mou: I never studied it abroad. I was going to, but and then Covid happened. So I didn't. But I think it's not. It's not necessarily about study abroad. It's just about these like types of experiential learning experiences that gives you more to speak to. Right, gives you more Fuhang Mou: life, experience and opportunities to hone in these like skills of communication team work Fuhang Mou: things like that. So what? Whether you study abroad or don't study abroad, it's important to lean into these experiences that you've had in your life, right? Whether it's whether it is study abroad, right? Whether you're in organization, whether you're, you know, in a in a team project. Right? What? What are these these like stories that you can tell people to highlight who you are? Megan Ray: That's a great story, and you're absolutely right. You all would have been right in the middle of that Covid, and would have really struggled from that. So that makes a ton of sense actually within that. So that's great, James. Anything to throw in there. James Markwith: I'd say. Foo Hong said it better than I would. Megan Ray: Well done. So it does seem to be really important. This collection of the stories through your undergrad experience that when you're walking into this thing, you're looking to make a connection with a person right, because that's part of the networking piece. But then you're also trying to figure out how to extrapolate what you've learned inside and outside the classroom to talk to those folks because they also want to know that you know your stuff right as you're going into this. And as you've looked at that process, you know, as you all are looking Megan Ray: to, what your next move might be right in your career. What are some of the things that you think are fundamentals that maybe we're missing from your undergrad degree, that you think that you ought to put back in like I know, James, you talked about excel, and about how like you just can't have too much right as you're going through that and and building up those skills. Megan Ray: But I mean wondering if there's also other things. Now, like I, you know, thinking about artificial intelligence, and how that's so very, very vastly changing the way that things are being done. Now, are there things like that that you all are seeing in your industries that you're thinking. Well, if I were in school right now, and maybe start to look at this, because I think I'm going to need that for my next leap. James Markwith: Yeah, it's certainly say, like strict coding would. If I was a genius, Coder, it would certainly be helpful in certain aspects of my job. But you know there's tools now where you you can kind of skate by with. you know, limited knowledge. It's coding. So if I mean, if you're interested in, it's a great skill to pick up so python or James Markwith: C. Any of these kind of more James Markwith: you. You know James Markwith: usable coding languages I'd certainly recommend at least having a baseline knowledge about, or if you're super interested and maybe pick it up completely. So Fuhang Mou: I'm in marketing and sales. And I I I think the digital marketing Fuhang Mou: stuff. I I I think that would be really valuable for suit students right now to home in. I I think it's it's definitely blooming in the industry and Fuhang Mou: that will have a lot of value. Once you guys graduate Alyssa Claymiller: for me, I don't. There's nothing I can think of in particular. what I would say Alyssa Claymiller: is just making like certain you're choosing a company that Alyssa Claymiller: gives the resources. If you want to continue to learn. this, I think. Alyssa Claymiller: personally, I think out of college one of the best size companies to try to shoot for is mid to large, because they will have more resources for you to do, continued education. but also, sometimes smaller companies. You're wearing a lot of hats, and you kind of get forced to learn very quickly. So, but I think it's important that when you're interviewing to to ask what kind of continued learning they have? because ideally, they they have the resources there to help set you up for the next position. Megan Ray: Absolutely. That's really helpful. So so E. Another question that I, I think, is helpful to folks. Could you all give us? And I know that in the world of work there is no typical day, right? But over the course of a week could you give us an idea of like 3 or 4 job related tasks that you all are doing. that might be helpful in kind of illustrating what a routine experience might be like in your particular area. Megan Ray: And Alyssa, we want to start with you. And then Fuhong. And then, James. Alyssa Claymiller: yeah. So Alyssa Claymiller: my typical day, which I cover a territory basically, all of Northern Indiana, so about from Carmel and then Michigan cities. About the first West I go. I'm in a hotel right now. I usually am not traveling for work, but as a component if I don't want to drive 2 and a half hours in the morning to get down to Indy. But Alyssa Claymiller: I would say, normal part of my day is, I mean, multiple surgeries helping. This is the surgeon during that procedure. So it'd be a hysterectomy, or they're taking someone's gallbladder out of call it cholecystectomy. Alyssa Claymiller: helping support them with the robot. It's a big piece of equipment. So, being a support to them helping teach them anything. that they don't know like about it. And then also another piece that we do is we're here at the residence. So now residents learn Alyssa Claymiller: robotics Alyssa Claymiller: while they're going through that. So helping assist with that, and also training up new surgeons and then sometimes mixed in there as conferences Alyssa Claymiller: and I will say that even when I graduated college, if you were told me I'd be in the operating room and I could give a surge in the suggestion, or I'll teach them something. I just want to believe you. So Alyssa Claymiller: yeah, every day is a little bit different different hospitals. Alyssa Claymiller: But yeah, that's typically what it's like. Fuhang Mou: So I'm in sales right now, right and then, sales. I I mean, like a list of every day is very different in sales. in pharmaceutical sales. I'm probably Fuhang Mou: going to an office, you know, trying to. Fuhang Mou: Yeah, I'll see the doctor share about my my drug with the doctor, and maybe having lunch with a doctor. Maybe there's a dinner program. There's like a variety of different different things we can do to kind of share our product to the physician when I was in in marketing and market research, so a more like in house, like a like an office corporate job Fuhang Mou: and that that was a lot of meetings, right? A lot of meetings to push different projects forward. And Fuhang Mou: I I I I think, in both sales. And then these marketing market research kind of in-house capacity. It's really about you, and and how you push projects forward. Right? You dictate your day and kind of Fuhang Mou: you know who you need to meet with here. You need to talk to and Fuhang Mou: and then you move projects forward that way. James Markwith: Yeah, I'd really hone it on what for Long said with the meetings a lot of meetings every day. at least for me personally, you know, we I work remotely a lot. So a lot of teams calls with either directors, managers, you know, going over certain reports that I've up together. for you know various events or James Markwith: you know, projects on our team that we're we're working towards. But my kind of you know, daily responsibilities. I cover Africa, India, and the Middle Africa, India in the Middle East for pricing. And so I'm looking at markets and just making sure that we stay competitive with American and Delta. So James Markwith: it's kind of a James Markwith: you know. There, there are certain aspects of my job which are routine. And then there are certain aspects which are change every day. So it's a good mix of both. And James Markwith: yeah changes. By the I'd say by the month. Mostly Megan Ray: that's super helpful. So now, thinking about back to your college days, right? So, as you were doing this, what were the kinds of clubs and organizations that you became a part of that maybe you haven't mentioned yet. Or how did they change from when you were in your first or second year until a later part of the year. Because I, Megan Ray: one of the things that I think is really interesting about the college experience is that a student might be involved in something in their first year, and then be involved in something completely different that they love by their senior year. So it I, James, if you want to jump back into this and tell us a little bit about some of those things that you were involved in, that you found valuable outside of the classroom. James Markwith: sure, I wasn't in too many clubs. I did take part in the Economics Club and the you know. I I think I touched on that. I was a undergraduate instructor for the economics. Other than that. I didn't. I didn't really play sports for the school, or I wasn't really a part of any intramural or that kind of stuff. James Markwith: from when I was there things James Markwith: mostly stayed the same. I'd say up until Covid, of course, and then, you know, didn't really do much from then on in the school, as a virtual for most of junior year, and then back a little bit of senior year, so I would say, not much changed from at least freshman the senior, but James Markwith: certainly was fun. And those experiences helped. Okay. Megan Ray: yes, and Alyssa. Alyssa Claymiller: So I was around my freshman year. I was a part of the Jill Beerman 5 K. Color run. I did that for a few years, and then trying to think what all I did. I Alyssa Claymiller: a lot of part of what I did, too, that I don't know if everyone knows about that. You can be like a test participant if for different scientific studies. I like to do that as a little bit of extra cash. When I was in college. then I usually had a job going on. I I don't know if we can consider that an extracurricular but yeah, as Alyssa Claymiller: like. I said I was a teaching assistant for anatomy. Then I step study broad office. And then, because of that job ended up getting Alyssa Claymiller: a job at the office of equity diversity, multicultural affairs to help them select which scholarships they are giving out. And then other than that, I'm trying to think I did inner meal volleyball. I feel like it's always, if you can, to have one. That's just purely fun like in social. I feel like that's good to have if you have time for it in your schedule. Alyssa Claymiller: And then I also did like a volunteer kind of program like it. It was Alyssa Claymiller: I took a Grant writing class and so like it was required to do so many hours of volunteering. And then you at the end you'd write a grant for the organization. So I did the volunteering at my sister's closet. Alyssa Claymiller: So really cool organization. you can get business close there. It's been essentially like a thrift store. But the proceeds go to helping women get Alyssa Claymiller: fulfilling careers and employment. So Alyssa Claymiller: I recommend going. Fuhang Mou: I did a bunch of like, like student leadership type, things like like with the Union Board, right? like a events and different leadership opportunities for students. I I I think it's pretty consistent. from freshman a senior year. Megan Ray: That's great, that's really great. So I think, what are some of the things that you all have found in terms of transitioning into the communities that you live in right now, like, how have you created communities or created friendships? Really outside? Because that's something that I do here from some of our recent grad sometimes is. Megan Ray: and it was really hard to get connected to folks right away. And certainly you always have your user family right? But sometimes it's hard to get to alumni events and to do those sorts of things. And some nice the folks going to. Those aren't necessarily the younger alumni right? Who you might want to connect with. How have you all done that like? How have you expanded your circles now that you're in Megan Ray: a different life period. Megan Ray: Oh, yeah, too, Hong, you go ahead. I see you thinking. Fuhang Mou: I I think it depends on what city you're in, and and different ways to meet people. are better in different cities like. So I'm in Raleigh right now and meet up is a big thing in Raleigh. Raleigh has a lot of young professionals, so I I think, meet up is a good way to meet people here, or there's tons of Fuhang Mou: like random young professional clubs. I do a lot of running. So there's like a running club every single day of the week here when I was in Chicago, I mean, there were tons of running club. There were. Fuhang Mou: I mean it just like a a lot of different like opportunities to me Fuhang Mou: people our age. That's great. Alyssa Claymiller: Yeah. So I definitely agree with what he said. Because when I first graduate I moved to Philadelphia and I was doing pharmaceutical sales out there and then Covid hit. Alyssa Claymiller: and we all went remote, and I honestly love being remote for about 2 years or so. But that's was one of the main things I was missing. I felt like I wasn't having Alyssa Claymiller: like the social Alyssa Claymiller: that I needed to be happy. And at the time I was in a small town, Indiana like I moved back, and so that was part of it, too, like, unless I wanted to hang out with people from high school like Alyssa Claymiller: that was my options. But I think some of the ways that can be fun is even if you go on Facebook and go on to events. You can see different events that's going on like I've met people from going to like a free Yoga Alyssa Claymiller: so class that was happening in it apart, and always just building off the the social circle that you have And then also, like Alyssa Claymiller: he said to Bumble, Bfs. you can find people who have similar interest to you, because it's not. Alyssa Claymiller: It depends on where you are. I think the bigger city you're in. Usually it's easier. But if you're in a somewhat small. Alyssa Claymiller: so a place that might might feel harder, especially when we're used to just like being in college and everyone being around our same age and going through a similar phase of life. Alyssa Claymiller: So it's something you have to give more Alyssa Claymiller: of a specific focus in your twenties or your twenties. Once you're out of school James Markwith: yeah, I completely, agree you know from my grad program, our our grad program class was about I think 60 students, and I'd say about half of them with moved to Chicago to work. So I have a pretty good James Markwith: close knit group of friends from that that live here and work in the city. And so, you know, I I'm thankful for that. And other than that, you know. You just meet people through work, and you meet people, friends of friends, and you know you kind of just grow your circle like she said over time. So certainly there are other ways to, you know. If you just you just randomly meet someone out in like the clubs like they said, and those are all good options. But Megan Ray: and it, James, how did you make that decision like you said you wanted to focus a little bit more tailored on the finance piece. Right? But I'm thinking about you're getting this degree in Econ and political science. And then you decide to stay for another year and do this program. So what was really kind of the primary drivers for that decision making for you? Because some folks would say like, Listen, I have done my undergraduate degree. I am out. I want to be pulling down a salary like Megan Ray: what is up with that. So why, why did you decide to wait. James Markwith: Yeah, certainly. So I when I first graduated in 2,021, it was kind of in that Covid era, and I didn't feel like I had the end of my college experience completely. It was kind of, you know, stolen for me whatever you want to call it And so, going back for that last year. It was kind of my, you know, the true end to my like college career, I guess you could say. James Markwith: and really glad I did it, because it was, you know, probably the best best year on campus I had. you know, it was the kind of the surge of coming back to I you every everyone was so just happy to be there. James Markwith: Other than that, you know. It was also just it made sense because I I read some study where you know in a down economic downturn there, it's a good idea to just get more education. It's kind of when people go back to school. So it, it's it was. Certainly just it looked good from all fronts, basically. And the program itself I had, I actually had gotten in the end of my junior year. So I kind of James Markwith: I actually, I think I said yes, right at the beginning of senior year. And it was just my goal from then on to just do that. So Megan Ray: yeah, that makes a ton of sense. So well, we just have a few minutes left in our panel. So I want to make sure that I ask our attendees if they have any other further questions to please put those into the Q. A. And I'm gonna ask you all, these are young people trying to make some decisions looking at their futures. What would be a piece of advice that you would share with them, I knowing that over the next 3 years they're going to be Megan Ray: figuring out a career and getting a job and doing all of those different things right? So that's the final question that I'm gonna ask you. In the meantime, though, what I would like to ask you all. And I'm gonna start with you to ask, how did you get your first job out of college? What's the story of that, because I think that part feels super intimidating, and we'll go Alyssa Fuhong. And then, James. Alyssa Claymiller: so Alyssa Claymiller: it's a super stressful time. that's another thing to the earlier you can plan for that the better, because I started mainly looking for jobs after I graduated and I had actually received a job offer from a pretty good place, but it was. Alyssa Claymiller: or earlier before I graduated, but I felt like Alyssa Claymiller: I didn't want to take the first thing that I got but Alyssa Claymiller: I think so. Mine. I'm pretty sure I found my first one on Linkedin. It wasn't necessarily like through someone I knew. I just was applying for things, and the the more in interviews I had, the more it was helping me narrow down exactly what I wanted. I think I kind of shot for the moon a little bit too fast that I thought I'd be able to get like a manager role right out of college. So Alyssa Claymiller: I think. it's good to know to that, you know it like we all have to be at the bottom of the total hole at some point and work our way up so Alyssa Claymiller: I don't know if that makes any sense but Alyssa Claymiller: But you can always like, if even if you're just interested in something. You can always try interviewing for it if you get an interview, you know it's always Alyssa Claymiller: even if that ends up, not being the one you take. You'll learn something from it Megan Ray: absolutely. Fuhang Mou: I found mine on Linkedin. fall of senior year during the race recruiting cycle. Fuhang Mou: Happy does a lot of recruiting on campus I but I I found mine through up through Linkedin James Markwith: So I got the interview for my job through handshake, which is a service that in Indiana University offers. it kind of just it's like it's basically another Linkedin, but it pairs you directly with like the hiring Hr person to to get an interview specifically. it's not not really for networking James Markwith: So that kind of. James Markwith: you know, led to. James Markwith: you know, interview one. And that went well interviewed to. you know most of these interviews there, 2 to 3 partners. you know. So if you're feeling stressed, it's completely understandable. It is a stressful time, but just in general it'll work out, you know. Just take a breath and kind of James Markwith: Prepare as well as you can, and if you know, the opportunity doesn't work out, it wasn't meant to be. You'll get something else. So that's what I'd say. Megan Ray: absolutely. And, James, you've had a specific question roll into the Q. A. For you asking, was there a specific thing that you learned through your Econ and Political Science Degree that you unexpectedly found to be helpful in real world applications. James Markwith: There are certainly many things from those degrees that help me. They were about it. I don't know if they would be unexpected. certainly the Econ stuff I use basically every day. James Markwith: But I guess what was unexpected was just how much I actually just enjoyed the material itself. you know, reading James Markwith: these, you know. Not not really the textbooks, but they were more books. That kind of talked about the the theory behind the thought of economics. Right? And so, you know, I now I read Econ related books just in my free time. So James Markwith: certainly certainly interesting in it of itself, and not just from a textbook. I'd say the textbook is the most boring part of learning, but the you know, ideas behind them is, what's James Markwith: what's actually stimulating? Megan Ray: That's great. Thanks so much. Megan Ray: And, Alyssa, I, as you're thinking, what advice do you have for these folks? Alyssa Claymiller: I think, never stop learning. always have a curious spirit. whether it's just finding a podcast, that you're interested in and listening to that on the way to work. Always have something that you're learning and growing education does. It does not stop when you graduate. Alyssa Claymiller: or at least I don't think it should. So and find a career that challenges you in the right ways. so that you don't get board. Fuhang Mou: I I think I would advise you all to really like, lean into your college experience and really get all that it has to offer right. All the people that you meet in college are going to be very important for you, not only in your career, but in your life. Fuhang Mou: And then all the experiences that will teach you different lessons, or just lean into your college experience. And Fuhang Mou: I mean, why, what, James? And at the end of the last question, right? What's to just just kill out, and what's yours will come to you, and and just go with the flow Megan Ray: in it. James. Any of last advice for students. James Markwith: Last advice I I think I've James Markwith: I think I've basically said that. James Markwith: You know, I would say it again just James Markwith: it'll be fine. Yeah, that's all I can say. I don't know I was to say, but yeah, good luck to everyone in this call. So Megan Ray: yeah, I think that's really really great. So I just want to thank you all so much for your time. Yeah. And one of the questions that squeaked in here at the last minute was, did you think you were to disadvantage looking for these kinds of jobs versus someone doing a traditional business degree right in that process. And it I I heard you all say that like perhaps Megan Ray: getting in the door. It may have been a little bit easier, but maybe not right like, because you had such a unique perspective. You, James, what do you think? James Markwith: for getting in the door? James Markwith: You know I actually I I've never been on the side of the hiring manager, so I can't. I can't really say if that's true or not. James Markwith: but I do know from what you can control. It's just how you craft your own story and your kind of what? What you're driven by. You know. What makes you passionate about the job that you're applying for. that's the only thing that you can really control. And I would just say to kind of refine that, you know. Megan Ray: that's great. And Alyssa Foo Hong, what do you think? Fuhang Mou: Yeah, I I think it's all about how you craft your own story when I was like making the transition to a more business career path. I mean, I was thinking about. Should I switch to a business, major? Right? But I decided that I would stay with a science major, because Fuhang Mou: I thought and I I mean Fuhang Mou: that it would give me a competitive edge, right? I knew everybody else applying to the jobs that I wanted to get would be a business major right. There would be very few Science majors, let alone science majors that knew and understood the connection between the business and the science. So really understand your story and what your competitive edges and Fuhang Mou: and and lean into that? Alyssa Claymiller: Yeah, I. And for me, I didn't feel disadvantaged with having my science degree. I think Alyssa Claymiller: a lot of people respect science degrees. They know they're not easy. you know. Alyssa Claymiller: I think, is specifically in me and Alyssa Claymiller: industries where it's it is respected to to have a background in science. some some positions matter more with how much science and how much business there is going to be. But having. I feel Alyssa Claymiller: like learning. Science in a structured way, like in college, is easier to learn tough subjects in school like that, where I feel like a lot of business knowledge. You can learn Alyssa Claymiller: either so low or Alyssa Claymiller: like, like. Figure out what you need as you go. Alyssa Claymiller: depending on the role. So Alyssa Claymiller: that's at least how it works out for me. And and I'm happy that that's how I did that things. Fuhang Mou: Yeah, it really just depends on where you want to lean into right. So if you're a like a science major, and you want to lean into our more business role, then like that, then, you know. Make sure you understand the Fuhang Mou: kind of the business, transferable skill aspect of your science role. Right? If you're I mean, just lean into what about your profile Fuhang Mou: lends itself to where you want to go, and and those skills that can carry you there Megan Ray: absolutely. Megan Ray: I can't thank you all enough. I truly can't. So I am always humbled by the generosity of fellow hoosiers. And as an alumna of I you myself from the journalism program many, many decades ago. I just want to thank you all for your time and your energy and your enthusiasm, and Megan Ray: appreciate so much. You're taking time out of your schedules to spend time with these students and to share your stories, which are inspiring and really exciting. And I'm thrilled to see what comes next for you all. So thank you also very much. I'm going to go ahead and close our panel this evening. Take care, and have a very good rest of your day, morning or evening. Thanks so much. Bye, bye. Alyssa Claymiller: thank you. Oh, I I guess last little thing I'll say is, I'm sure the other panelists feel the same. You can always feel free to add us on Linkedin. If you have anything that we would be able to help with in the future, always willing to help another user. Alyssa Claymiller: Oh, thanks, Alyssa, great! Megan Ray: It's great bye.

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Business Pathways: Excellent. So oh, and, Ellen, I wanted to ask, do you mind if I record? Okay, okay, that would be great. So well, hello and good evening. I'm so excited to see our attendees here. So Peter and Jenna Hope and Garrett Brennan thanks so much for coming out tonight to learn a little bit, or depending on where you are in the world this morning or this afternoon. Right? Business Pathways: So thank you so much for being here. I'm really excited. One of the things that is super fun about being an alum about you myself is when I get to meet other alumni of the school. And here about what some of their journeys have been like, and what their experiences have been. And so I am really excited for you all to meet Ellen Mendenhall this evening and hear a little bit about her story. Business Pathways: So, Ellen, I'm gonna have you introduce yourself? Where are you originally from? Maybe what you studied at you? Where are you now? And what are you doing? Ellyn Mendenhall: Perfect? Yes, So I am originally from Indianapolis. I grew up there my whole life, and then went to iu So I I enrolled in 2,016. Ellyn Mendenhall: So I think I was a senior. Well, actually, no, I definitely, probably not overlapped with anyone at this point. I graduated in 2,020 and it still feels like I graduated Ellyn Mendenhall: last summer, but it's last summer is like suddenly, 3 summers ago. And now I'm in New York which I really love. And I'm working right now in marketing for the investment banking division. of woman tax Ellyn Mendenhall: But that was not my first job out of college. and I'm sure we'll we'll discuss more. But I I started at a law firm. right out of college and that was in Chicago. So I've actually been in two cities as well. Ellyn Mendenhall: Oh, and I forgot to say what I study. But I studied history and international studies. I was a double major in those, and then I also had a minor in Spanish and a minor in Jewish studies. Business Pathways: Excellent! That's so great, Ellen. So what what made you decide to focus on those major programs. When you came to, I you to begin with, what was it that got you interested in those particular disciplines? Ellyn Mendenhall: Yeah, I definitely think on a personal note. My mother is a history teacher, secondary like high school, but I think she definitely had an influence on that growing up. I did a lot of spend a lot of time in museums and on historical road trips for Spring Break instead of Ellyn Mendenhall: Florida, which I hated at the time. But I have grown to love and appreciate about my childhood. and I just really really loved it. and I also thought. Ellyn Mendenhall: actually think it's international stage with my first major and I think I thought when I came to I you, that I wanted to be a foreign service officer, which is definitely an interesting career opportunity, and not one that I knock at all. But I think I kind of came to the conclusion pretty quickly. That's not something I wanted to do but so I thought I'd be a diplomat, and then I thought I would be a lawyer. which is kind of like Ellyn Mendenhall: if you have a history, Major. Ellyn Mendenhall: your parents friends are. Gonna say, what are you gonna do with that? which I think we'll talk about as well, but I think law school is like an acceptable answer, and Ellyn Mendenhall: even if you don't want to go off when you want to adopt that out by like feel free, because it got me out of a lot of conversations about what I wanted to do. But I also decided law school really wasn't what I wanted to do, either. but I just like I loved what I was studying. And I definitely like Ellyn Mendenhall: encourage. Ellyn Mendenhall: like, just picking what you're passionate about, because, no matter what you study, I think the biggest thing I took away from my experience was like relationships. I built with my professors over things I was passionate about, and then still to this day to be able to talk about projects and initiatives, and papers that I wrote about what I'm passionate about like that comes up still in like, in interviews and in Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, I I, networking like that has definitely been the best facet. Ellyn Mendenhall: I guess in my my own progression. So Business Pathways: that's so exciting. So so you came in international studies, was the primary right? And then you added history to that which I'm sure your family was delighted about right like keeping it alive in the family. And those were things that were of interest to you when you were taking those classes, what were some of the classes that you had, that you found, like the most interesting, and then also which have been the most useful to you in the work experiences that you've had since graduation. Yeah, I would definitely, I had a few Ellyn Mendenhall: favorite history professors. I think Ed linen. Thal is still there, and he taught a lot of I I try to remember the course things he tried a lot of like Ellyn Mendenhall: cold war era. I think he he taught at the time. What is history, too, which is like the Intro history major. class that I love. He also Ellyn Mendenhall: he did one. Yeah. So the bomb in American life was fascinating. It was just on. It was cold war, but it was really just focused on like Ellyn Mendenhall: the bomb aspect of it, like we read books on fallout shelters. We read books about Chernobyl. We watched Ellyn Mendenhall: all these like doomsday movies from the time and so that one was really fascinating because it was like historical. But it was also like about American culture, and like a really cool perspective. he also had a World War Ii class, which is super popular, and I Ellyn Mendenhall: was kind of an Elitist history major at the time where it was like the I. There's this like idea of like, it was really annoying to me, because as a history major, everyone's always like oh, so you must know everything about World War. I I'm like, yeah, that's the only thing that's happened in history. so that is like the most popular history class, because I think a lot of people are really interested in world history, which is not a bad thing. Ellyn Mendenhall: but anyway, so that was like, actually my only lecture hall class. and I would say, Ellyn Mendenhall: well, I loved like all of my history classes. There was like. Ellyn Mendenhall: it's like hard to make it there. I think I think the bomb when it was my favorite. But I also took a law in Latin America, like a modern Argentina class, was fascinating. Modern Mexico class. Ellyn Mendenhall: Peter Gordino was the honors program director at the time, and he is an excellent, amazing professor. Ellyn Mendenhall: and super interesting, and those classes are great, even if you don't, wanna. They're like majors and not majors. But they're just I just love them. Ellyn Mendenhall: I say, from all of them Ellyn Mendenhall: having completed like long papers, is like more useful than I thought it would be. just like a is like a writing sample, but also, like you can submit these long papers to win awards Ellyn Mendenhall: or like scholarships. And to say, I completed this research myself, or this is secondary research. Ellyn Mendenhall: that is like super like useful and also like so much of Ellyn Mendenhall: jobs, is like any job is like writing emails and even like writing presentations, writing briefs. You, you'll write so much, no matter what your job is. my sister is in engineering, and she Ellyn Mendenhall: talks about like writing lab reports, and that's like a skill that some of her peers like don't have, and it's like such a key skill to have no like, just no matter where you're at I think it's like really easy to set apart, even though it is like considered a soft scale. Ellyn Mendenhall: see, I think like that, like the research aspect is like the biggest thing Ellyn Mendenhall: and even like marketing. The writing comment, like that connection is obvious, but also like doing research on competitors and like putting together a competitive analysis or just like demonstrating knowledge on a subject like Ellyn Mendenhall: you have to like, learn really quickly and like the ability to like, just consume a lot of material and then be able to speak on it. It's also like really important, I think. I'm also like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I don't want to act like I know everything. I'm 3 years out of college. but it's been really helpful for me at this point. Business Pathways: Well, if it's any any support at all, Ellen. We had a panelists on the panel last night who had done a double major in Econ and political science, and he said almost the exact same thing that the writing had been so essential for him in his work, and he works as a pricing analyst for you now right? But he he said that that training of how to think Business Pathways: and how to work had really been valuable to him in that process, you know. So so were you when you went to the wafer right out of school. Were you looking? Were you kind of test driving it to see if law school is actually an interesting thing for yourself, or how did you end up there, and what what were you doing while you were there? Ellyn Mendenhall: So graduating in May of 2020. I actually didn't. I was like the the one class that really didn't get a graduation, which is fine. Ellyn Mendenhall: it was still a great senior year, and I am appreciative that I had 3 and a half really normal years. but it was a really tough job market. I had a lot of my friends who were business students, who, like the culture and in like Ellyn Mendenhall: business school, is like, you have your job lined up, and a lot of them were like getting job offers rescinded or like. Here's a stipend. We're not going to start you for another 6 months after what we originally told you. And so it was really tumultuous and like Ellyn Mendenhall: for a lot of, I think, liberal arts, and, like other just other majors, like a lot of people. When March 2020 hit people didn't have jobs lined up. Ellyn Mendenhall: and I did it really, either. I think I had like been recruiting. Ellyn Mendenhall: so it kind of like I had done a. Ellyn Mendenhall: It was basically like it was like a family friend connection that ended up Ellyn Mendenhall: like helping me with that where it was like Ellyn Mendenhall: we had, like a family friend who was an attorney, and they were like, Oh, you want to go to law school. Well, what if you just like, based on your like history experience, and like I was also in a sorority, and I had been Ellyn Mendenhall: like special events, share And so they were like, Oh, like Ellyn Mendenhall: you could do like some event planning why don't you try this out? And then maybe. Ellyn Mendenhall: if you want to. You'll figure out, if you like, a law firm. You want to go to law school, And so it just happened to kind of be a marketing position. Ellyn Mendenhall: which is crazy, because now I feel like I love marketing. And I feel like I'm going to build my career upon that. And it was really just like it, like, just happened that way. Ellyn Mendenhall: but yeah, so that's how I ended up there. And what I really did. There was a lot of, and it is a finance law firm, which is how it kind of ended up bridging me to Goldman. A lot of it was like Ellyn Mendenhall: proof, reading what the attorneys wrote. because the attorneys are writers as well. I was definitely not writing like the high brow, legal legal ease. But I was doing a lot of like Ellyn Mendenhall: sending that email proof, reading, formatting it to make it like look good and appealing. like, but also like event list, and like all kinds of like handling unsubscribes from like clients. Ellyn Mendenhall: I don't know, and doing social media as well we like. We started an Instagram, and it was like a pretty small law firm. So it was like brand new to have Instagram. Ellyn Mendenhall: I did. I like taught myself how to do. It was also because it was like Ellyn Mendenhall: brand new with this work from home stuff. They were like, I think we have to start making videos like. Ellyn Mendenhall: do you have the time to try to like what? Something together. And I like taught myself how to use adobe like using mostly Youtube videos. So I like started making videos as well. that was like, really fun. But I think Ellyn Mendenhall: the main thing I took away from like that first job which I really did. I really loved the small team, and I feel like I learned a lot with also that like, you'll go really far, and your progress will Ellyn Mendenhall: show it. If you're you're willing to do any tasks like creating a video and designing a video that's really cool and fun. And you have a finished product at the end. showing people to the conference room because you're on this like 5 person marketing team and like you're helping out a partner with an event they're putting on. It's like less glamorous and like Ellyn Mendenhall: it's like, not Ellyn Mendenhall: necessarily like you're not seeing that at the time is like, Oh, that's really gonna help my career that I'm like, basically a tour guide or whatever But the willingness to do those types of activities and like, just show, and that's still facetime with a partner. And when you show yourself as someone who's willing to like learn anything, we'll try anything, we'll show up Ellyn Mendenhall: is like not too big for any task like I think that that also really helped me there And gave me the opportunity to do like more exciting things. Business Pathways: That's really solid advice on about looking at that. So e as you're listening to Ellen, talk about her journey and it talking about those things. If there are pieces about that career development about those choices that you want to ask her, please don't hesitate to drop a question into the Q and A for us, so that we can make sure that we get that addressed. E. You know one of the other pieces, I think, Ellen? And some of the panelists last night talked about this as well. Business Pathways: The that the stuff that you do outside of the classroom in college is also super important for developing in those skills. Right? I was talking with a student earlier today who Business Pathways: it's really interested in consulting. And I said, Well, have you joined one of the consulting clubs, you know, and they said, Oh, no, I I hadn't realized there were those kinds of options. And so, you know, finding something that's in your area of interest is a really important part. What kind of things were you involved in? And while you were in school up until you know when everything shut down. Yes. yeah, I think I and that is like, is it great? You guys just like, be super involved? Ellyn Mendenhall: I feel like I think about my schedule senior year, and I'm like, I don't even know how it is like living. because now I'm like, I have like a 9 to 5, and I feel like Ellyn Mendenhall: it's so hard. But I was like, I mean, college students. You guys are all a different breed. you can sleep less than other people, somehow. But I was involved in my sorority from freshman year on, and that, I think, brought a lot of leadership experience. I was a director of special events like my fresh, my sophomore year, I guess, and then I was president. My June, from my junior to senior year, like the Ellyn Mendenhall: January to December. And so that was like really challenging. It's definitely, really challenging position to be in Ellyn Mendenhall: with those like the sororities and fraternities are really big at I you But I learned a lot from that experience, and it's like hard to manage your peers. Ellyn Mendenhall: I also started working. I worked all 4 years like part time. I had like one job in the basement of wells in the scholars in if that's still there. Ellyn Mendenhall: and that was fun And then I also worked at the tennis center which I loved so much. if anyone ever wants to play a good game of tennis. Ellyn Mendenhall: I can no longer tell you what the student rate is, but I know it's discount, and I really cherish that experience, and I was promoted from, like the the front desk person, to like a program assistant, which was like Ellyn Mendenhall: in the in the Ellyn Mendenhall: in the office, and doing more like accounting and stuff. And that was really good experience. It's like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I think. Ellyn Mendenhall: whereas nothing I'm doing right now with the it has anything to do with tennis, and I I've never played tennis. I took a few lessons while I was working there. I have no tennis background. Ellyn Mendenhall: but I think just showing that you a like handled like I handle the course load extracurricular activities. And then also a job Ellyn Mendenhall: definitely like demonstrates like a lot of time management. for one. And also just like you can be like, responsible to like an actual job more so than just like classes. Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, that definitely like taught me a lot. And also just like I mean, like I was working with Ellyn Mendenhall: all these like real, real grown ups and like e-mail culture is like something that you have to learn in your first job, and I feel like I had a head start and like with internships, you learned that as well. So I also definitely like recommend like getting internships. But my internships Ellyn Mendenhall: we're not Ellyn Mendenhall: like I, Nan, need a few summers, and I my my one internship. Well, I one internship while I was abroad. I also did a stay abroad for a summer and then the other engine trip I had was with refugees for Catholic charities like with vulnerable care. Ellyn Mendenhall: So that was like really impactful. And in in in all kinds of ways but also like Ellyn Mendenhall: taught me a lot. Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, I don't know, like I don't think I could pinpoint one certain extracurricular and say, like that really helped me in my my job. I think it was like the combination of them. And there were other like clubs that, like Ellyn Mendenhall: I was in. But then take a leadership role in like I was in Iudm, and that was like really great and fun. but like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I've also seen people spread themselves, and I think I was nearing it, but I wasn't quite there. But if you spread to yourself too thin in terms of leadership roles, I think that you're not. Ellyn Mendenhall: That's you that you have not being as committed to the clubs as you as you hope to be, and and that can be hard. So I would say, like Ellyn Mendenhall: at this stage, as like as much as you can like. Involve yourself in as much as you as you can, but then, like pick the ones where you're like. This is really where I want to commit myself. Ellyn Mendenhall: whether it's a job or an extracurricular us, we're already for turn to be like. That's where I want to like. Show my leadership progression. I think if you pick something where you can show your growth over 4 years. That's what really matters. Business Pathways: Yeah. Well, I know. One of the conversations I have with soon today was talking about how they they're already starting to craft the story of resilience and change. And you know, yeah, pivoting right? Like that. Ability to pivot when life throws you a curve ball mean that that part, I think, is is a really important skill that employers are looking for. So, E Ellen, how did you decide then what was the Ellyn Mendenhall: driver to move from Chicago to New York, and to move from this financial law services firm into Goldman Sachs like, how did that all happen? Ellyn Mendenhall: I will say candidly, a little romantic. I did move, for I was in a long distance relationship. So I kind of got to the point where we were like. Ellyn Mendenhall: we've got to be in the same place. so I really wanted to move and Ellyn Mendenhall: my, the law firm. It was kind of a tough decision. They it was a smaller. It's a smaller firm, and they did offer like. They allowed me to move to New York, and they offered a little bit of a salary bump. But the cost of living in New York is just really, really difficult, and it is not the same as Chicago. So like, I just kind of needed something that I could live on. a little bit better. And so I like was applying to stuff Ellyn Mendenhall: And it was through a court recruiter that I ended up at Goldman. It is kind of still funny to me that I'm there. I never would have imagined it. I know it's like a lot of people. A lot of people really want to go there, but they want to go for banking like it's I'm not an investment banker. Ellyn Mendenhall: but I would just Ellyn Mendenhall: I really. I've I've been surprised by how much I've enjoyed it. it's definitely been really big in the writing for me, and that I love Ellyn Mendenhall: But I did leverage like it was a good bridge, because Chapman was the law firm was geared towards financial firms. So there was like a little bit. Yes, I was at a law firm, but Ellyn Mendenhall: it was finance focus. I have some background in that now. Ellyn Mendenhall: and it's like I, Ellyn Mendenhall: I have learned a lot about like finance. just through like absorbing it in those roles. And Ellyn Mendenhall: I, yeah, I would also like, I think that people get so Ellyn Mendenhall: focused on like, especially with Goldman. It's all about the bankers of the traders. But it's a huge organization, and there are recruiters. There's a lot of engineers. There's a lot of like all kinds. There's Comms people. There's like all kinds of roles in this like massive organization, and like throughout the the firm, there's like Ellyn Mendenhall: a great culture of like. Ellyn Mendenhall: really hard working. And like, really intelligent people that I've like, really enjoyed. So Ellyn Mendenhall: yeah, it's it's been surprising in a lot of ways, because I definitely think I had a stigma about it like I had an idea of what I thought it would be, and it hasn't really been that at all, like I really enjoyed it. Ellyn Mendenhall: so yeah, I know Ellyn Mendenhall: my friends who did go to business school and and I laugh about how I really thought I would go change the world. And I'm not saying that you can't. I think everyone has the opportunity to, and if you want to go work for nonprofits, then you absolutely should. But I never would have thought that I would have ended up at Goldman. but there's still like a lot of and like a lot of what I learned in history, international studies still comes through like the biggest part of my job is like writing it a weekly email newsletter that's like Ellyn Mendenhall: global macro trends that often have international implications like the the piece that I was working on right before hopping on is like Ellyn Mendenhall: how Russia's actions in Ukraine impact oil prices, oil supply oil demand. And so like, I think Business Pathways: while I'm at a financial firm perspective. Now, I'm still like using the tools for my international studies and history background. Yeah, absolutely, we'd be using those that's really interesting. So and you said, you feel like you've kind of fallen into this marketing thing, and that you really want to guide your career in that way. You know what you talked about offering this newsletter working on email content. What are some other things that would like make up a regular week. Ellyn Mendenhall: you know, in your work. Ellyn Mendenhall: a lot of like really interesting part of my job is that Ellyn Mendenhall: like deal announcements? basically like Ellyn Mendenhall: when an Ipo, for example, is about to to price, or they're about to announce someone's budget as a merger or acquisition. Ellyn Mendenhall: the bankers like want to send that to their clients as soon as possible. just to like. Also, like kind of put a stamp on like, it's a very competitive industry. so they want to say, like. Ellyn Mendenhall: go like we were a part of this deal, because oftentimes, which is something I didn't know about. I've learned a lot, but something I didn't know is like a lot of times. There's like 5 banks involved in a deal, and there's certain positions that I like better leave left. But runner is the term I learned literally like two weeks ago, like, I'm still learning. But Ellyn Mendenhall: there's a lot of like Ellyn Mendenhall: I want to send out this email quicker than Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan. Because, like, I want clients to know that we were involved. Ellyn Mendenhall: And then also, like framing that email is like. Ellyn Mendenhall: oh, like, why, this transaction is significant, or like what our contribution was. Ellyn Mendenhall: so like. A lot of Ellyn Mendenhall: that is like on the fly, which is like kind of fun. You never know what deal is gonna happen. And I think there's Ellyn Mendenhall: we have like the same Ellyn Mendenhall: I like can't invest in the stock market because I have knowledge now, which is also crazy. But there, there's like kind of a need to know basis. So like Ellyn Mendenhall: I never know, I guess when the day starts, what Ellyn Mendenhall: that is gonna look like? but the newsletter itself. Then I can plan out like where it's like Monday. I'm selecting the topics Ellyn Mendenhall: where it's like, what's gonna be big. And sometimes, you know, like, okay, the Fed is going to make a decision on interest rates on Wednesday. That's probably in via section of the newsletter, or like, oh, it's it's almost Earth day, like, let's do an Esg sustainability like Ellyn Mendenhall: focused piece. Ellyn Mendenhall: so that like starts Monday, and then it's like drafting and stakeholder approvals Ellyn Mendenhall: throughout the week until like Friday night, is like basically scheduling because it's a Saturday newsletter But there's also like Ellyn Mendenhall: content strategy meetings, and like I don't, I don't let's see I I'll try to just think about what my one day today was like, because that will be a good gauge. But I would say Ellyn Mendenhall: there was like deals. But there is also like. Ellyn Mendenhall: Oh, we built this email subscription technology. And like, we're working through kinks on it, like I also think. Ellyn Mendenhall: And I'm on the cusp of Gen Z. So I claim that a little bit, but I think this generation will serve really well with Ellyn Mendenhall: like you'd be surprised. I was like, I'm not a tech person. Why am I making these decisions. But I think tech stuff happens in every single job. So when you have to be in it and to raise your hand and say, Let me figure it out like I feel like I understand this, and I think Ellyn Mendenhall: I would. I would tell everyone on this webinar you probably like have a good idea. And I'm not suggesting that older people don't. But like. Ellyn Mendenhall: if you think you have to figure out just like right ahead and say, like. Ellyn Mendenhall: I think that it could be this because you might be right. And if you're wrong, that's okay. You tried to help, and that like shows initiative. yeah, it can be so interesting. And there is still, like, I'm still early in my career. So there's also stuff where it's like Ellyn Mendenhall: you're supporting senior people on the team. So maybe that means you're booking the conference room, or you're scheduling meetings. And like, that's okay, too. so yeah. Business Pathways: there are all those kinds of things. So I think that's so interesting, you know, especially Business Pathways: they, the enticing part of having embargoed information and and what that's like, and and figuring out like the ethics behind that right, like a really huge core of ethics. So critical decision making the ability to kind of, you know. Business Pathways: think through what the different issues are of each piece of information that you're sharing. I think it's pretty critical, you know. Well, Ellen, I want to thank you so much for spending time with us today, and for sharing your thoughts and your insights. If you had a a piece or a couple of pieces of advice for these folks as they're looking for Business Pathways: major programs that would lead them towards a business realm. You know. Business Pathways: What advice would you have for them? How how should they make this decision. Next. Ellyn Mendenhall: I think I mean, I would say I would say, stay curious and focused on what you're interested in, because business is such a big. wide range. And I think even in banking, when I think about Ellyn Mendenhall: like there's Ellyn Mendenhall: there's health care bankers, and there's consumer bankers, and if you make yourself a specialist in a certain type of area that's also a great way to like get into business without Ellyn Mendenhall: and necessarily like a finance or business background. and like, I honestly think, like. Ellyn Mendenhall: maybe it's 5 to my current position, but like just keeping up to date with like the news, and like Ellyn Mendenhall: the the economy and like what things are going like reading a lot Ellyn Mendenhall: about what's like going on. And just like, really, really like the books that interest you honestly? because I think the reading and writing while they're like soft skills aren't going to go away anytime soon, like I know. AI AI scares me. It scares me about writing, but I think that there will be a human need for human right, like humans are going to want to read other humans, I have to believe that Ellyn Mendenhall: And so I think, like in your 4 years, I would also say. Ellyn Mendenhall: like, Okay, so I would say, like, focus on what you're passionate. Make yourself a specialist if you can, and like stay informed. But I would also say. Ellyn Mendenhall: work really closely with professors that you find fascinating like I mentioned to Ed, Lin and Thal. I literally just like took all of this classes because he taught them, and like showed up to office hours and talked to him And even now, like I've been in two jobs. If I wanted to go somewhere else like, I'd still rely on professors for reference letters. And that is like, and that's three years out. So like, I, I think that the relationship you build the professors are like really important. and it's also like a good. Ellyn Mendenhall: I wouldn't say even trial run. But it's it is kind of a good trial one for how you'll have relationship with your bosses, who, like will often serve as mentors as well. so like, just go to office hours, even if it's for one question, because oftentimes the perhaps we want to talk to you, and they want to get to know you. and I think that's especially true Ellyn Mendenhall: in classes with small sizes, like a lot of my history classes were under 20 students. so it's really easy to like make those connections. And they they. That's why they're professors, they they really want to get to know you. So I really take advantage of that. But then there's also like I'm calling my boss from the tennis center tomorrow about a question I have. And like, just like for general life advice. So there's like there's people who want to help you everywhere you look in Bloomington. It's like the best place on Earth. Ellyn Mendenhall: I'm going to visit Labor Day. I'm so excited. but like, yeah, I would I would take advantage of like Ellyn Mendenhall: everywhere you look like there's there's relationships you can build, and and those will really help you in in your progression as well. Business Pathways: That's so great, Ellen. That is rock solid advice. So you got a a thank you from Jenna. So saying, thank you, Ellen, so E. Let me add to that to say thank you so much. I truly appreciate you joining us, and it was such a pleasure to meet you and hear a little bit more about your story, and I I'll be in touch. Ellyn Mendenhall: Perfect, thank you. And I would say also to anyone who wants to to reach out. I feel like I rambled a lot. So if you have specific questions, I'm happy to talk, or do you want to talk about Goldman or law firms Ellyn Mendenhall: or history I am. I'm super happy to chat with anyone. So thank you. Megan, it was like great to all. You Business Pathways: absolutely thanks so much. Take care, Ellen. I have a few more things for folks that I want to share this evening. So Business Pathways: I'm gonna go ahead and share a couple of slides that I have prepared for you all, as you're kind of thinking through. What are the major programs you might be interested in now, certainly, having listen to Ellen and having listen to the panelists last night. Business Pathways: you could be sure in anything right, and still have a really successful career in business and pursue the things that you want to do, and I know it may not feel that way right now, but the reality is that employers are looking just for good people, right? Who have a series of skills. And so Business Pathways: all of the jobs that Indiana University are all posted on handshake, right? And so there's no secret file of jobs for one school versus another school versus the college. Anything like that? They're all in the one place. So I think one of the things to think about is what is something that you know, that you would show a lot of strength in, and something that you would enjoy right, because that's what's going to keep you curious and keep you flexible. And as Ellen talked about, those are a lot of the skills that are going to make you really successful in that work. Business Pathways: So if you're struggling to kind of try to figure out, okay, what is a major program that I could pursue, or what is the next thing that I could do? Business Pathways: I wanted to give you a couple of different ideas, just to be sort of thinking about and thinking too like, what would your next steps be right like? What would be the next thing that you would want to do in in order to move forward at this progress. The first thing right now is really identifying one or two major programs right? Looking through the different majors that I, you checking out the different programs. Business Pathways: I think a lot of times. What happens is that when you have to pivot in the environment that you're in, you suddenly start talking to a lot of friends and a lot of folks, and if everybody's kind of going in one direction, you think well, maybe that would be a good direction for me, too. Now that can work really well. If you're not actually interested in that major program, then that's probably not the right fit for you, right? So you want to find something that kind of hooks you that gives you a little bit interested, and so Business Pathways: just kind of taking a look to see if you were a student who was playing on major and finance, or accounting or marketing. These are some of the different degree plans that I you that could line you up for a super successful career in those areas. There's a public financial management degree out of the O'neal school. That degree itself is put is focused on public governmental type finance issues. But the skill set is very, very much the same Business Pathways: economics degree. A data science degree. One of the things that we've been hearing a lot about Ellen even mentioned is the AI component. And so, understanding a little bit more about that, and about the massive impact that that's going to have on the world. Economy moving forward can be really important. And even in finance it' be pretty comprehensive to get an idea of how these algorithms are built about how data can be crunched to make those decisions Business Pathways: for different organizations that are making financial decisions. So data, science could be something to take a look at. And if you want, you also could plan to do an extra year of a grad program. And there are a couple of different grad programs. The two that I've listed here are grad programs that are in the Kelly school and acceptance into graduate school Business Pathways: is a separate process than separate. Then going into an undergraduate program, right? It's a completely separate piece. So in graduate school, they're gonna look just at the body of your academic work. So they are going to look at the freshman through the junior senior year. How you performed what the grade trends were, what the courses were that you took all of those different things. So there is a masters of science and finance program that's available. Business Pathways: and a masters of science and accounting and data analytics. So if you were interested in accountancy, if you were interested in finance, those might be grad programs that would be of real interest to you. Both of those programs are stem certified as well, which can be really helpful if that's an important component of your educational experience. So the marketing degrees. There are lots of different degrees that relate to marketing. And I, this is just a small number of them. Business Pathways: There's a media advertising degree. But within the media school itself they have a whole series of different specializations like this, interactive and digital media managing media. They have media degrees that focus on the campaign specifically, or that focus on production specifically. So there's lots and lots of ways Business Pathways: to get into those marketing arenas is that's an area of interest for you. Out of the school there is a merchandising major that is focused on retail merchandising that has many, many similar characteristics to the marketing major. Business Pathways: and so merchandising might be a program that you'd want to take a look at as well, and all you would need to do is take the name of this degree, and Google merchandising, I, you, Bloomington, and then see what comes up right? Business Pathways: So you could take a look and see and go into the academic bulletin, which is what I'm talking about right here, right the academic bulletin piece, and see what that next class might be. So for merchandising the course, is the school of art, architecture and design. So it's so add M. For merchandising 109 right like. That's the first next course Business Pathways: that you would take if you were interested in that degree program specifically. But each one of these major programs will have that next class that you'll take in order to get familiar with the content and familiar with the particular degrees that are available in there for School of Public Health, there will be a course, that you would take next for sports, marketing and management for organizational and business psychology. Go in and look and see it's offered out of the psychology department. What's the next class that would you be taking for that? Specifically, you can also go ahead and take a look at one of the different Kelly miners. There are 4 of them, and there are also actually 2 certificates, one in business foundations and one in entrepreneurship. The Kelley minors themselves are programs that only require around seven classes, and you've likely already taken at least one Business Pathways: as a part of that. So that's an important piece to some of the other programs that I pulled that were really really helpful for students to kind of think about as you're looking at this include things that would relate to the supply chain area with in the economics and quantitative methods degree. Again, with data science statistics. Business Pathways: And then, if you want to add a graduate program to that, an Ms. And supply chain Ms. And business analytics, information systems itself. Business Pathways: It's a fantastic joint degree that is, out of the Hamilton Luger School and the lettuce school. That is a cyber security and global policy degree. That is a really really cool option as well. There's the informatics degree. If you're more interested in the human side of data and managing those systems. Business Pathways: There is the straight out computer science degree that students are looking at. And then out of the O'neal school. There is also a health care, management and policy. So you know, when Ellen was talking about getting some specific Business Pathways: information or knowledge base, like becoming an expert in that area. It was really interesting to hear her say that because there was a student last night who works for Avi in sales right? It's a pharmaceutical company, and Business Pathways: he had done an undergraduate degree in biology, had then done the center for the business of life sciences through the Kelley School, because it's open to any student in any major, and then he'd focus down on getting this job with Abbey. But his biology degree kind of put him ahead of other students who were interested in those jobs. So if you're going to be working with a firm or an organization that has Business Pathways: health care division and perhaps centering in on something like healthcare management might make a lot of sense for what you want to do so. And certainly healthcare is going to continue to be an incredibly important industry area. As we move forward. International business, lots of other arenas as well. The policy analysis and the public affairs degrees are out all this, the Neil School. There's an international law and institutions degree, and then international studies degrees. Those are both out of the Hamilton Luger School, and then in economics and political science degree. The student that I mentioned previously, or the alum who was on the call last night, who works as a pricing analyst for United. That was the degree program that he did actually was economics and political science. Business Pathways: and then many, many, many majors within the management area. Specifically so. Business Pathways: A human resource management major out of the O'neal school management, human organization is out of the College of Arts and Sciences. There's an arts management, Major. Like, if you're really interested in the performing arts or cultural events, that sort of thing, and you're interested in getting into, say, like venue management or running a gallery, something along those lines that Arts management degree could be a really great next step. Business Pathways: So all of these different pieces can be combined, then, with a Kelly minor. There's no application process for the killing minor. You simply re complete the requirements for it, file the paperwork, and you'll have a minor the way that you'll use the minor is to put it on your resume, so you'll put on your resume the title of your undergraduate degree, and then you would say. You know, minor in business or minor and marketing, or minor and entrepreneurship from the Kelley School. Business Pathways: So that's how you will position that it gives you just a little bit of additional business texture to your degree, and it will be actually minors will be noted on your transcript. So the certificates will actually not be noted on the Transcript, but you would still include a certificate on your resume as a part of that. and I'm joined this evening by one of my colleagues from the Career Development Center on Campus. Mary Claire and she and I were talking right before we started, and one of the things, she said, is, we have career coaches standing by, who have open appointments. Business Pathways: who are available to talk to students. And so you could actually even talk to a career coach to help you kind of organize your thoughts about. Okay, this is what I'm interested in doing. This is what I've been really fascinated by, or this is something I know I don't want to do. What's my next step? What other things could I consider? And so Business Pathways: I would ask that Mary Claire, if you don't mind dropping into the chat to everyone. If you could take a look in there and take a peek, she can put some information in there about how to get connected with a career coach, you would simply go to the handshake website, and then there'll be information there about how to connect with that coach, and so that could be a really important place as well to get that information. So so what I'd like to do right now is, pause for a moment and see what kind of questions are coming into the Q. A. And what are the things we might be able to answer for you all. Business Pathways: Don't hesitate to drop this right in. Business Pathways: Look here, real quick. Business Pathways: Okay. Business Pathways: Take a peak here. Questions. Here's a question. Business Pathways: Okay. I saw in line that you could get multiple Kelley minors I didn't want to confirm if you knew. That's a great question. I I think that you can. But once you go in and take a look at the different Kelly miners. What you're going to see is that Business Pathways: for most of them there are two or three classes that are very, very much the same, like a 200 right is an accounting course. That's a full semester accounting for that you would take, and then K 201, which all of you have likely taken. And then that's when the differentiation starts with the majors, because there are several different ones. So Business Pathways: so I think that you can do more than one. I'm not sure that it's a benefit to you really like. If you have one, you may not need the additional one, but if you wanted to, you certainly could. So I so that's a really great question. You could also reach right out to your academic advisor and get the very, very specific information about that, Brennan. So thank you for asking that I really appreciate it. there's a question about doing double majors like maybe economics and psychology. That sounds like an amazing con combination. I love that. That would be a conversation to have with your academic advisor as well about how to line that up. Business Pathways: The good news is, you could actually do those degree programs. And since they are both out of the College of Arts and Sciences. There's going to be some pretty significant double dipping that you're going to be able to do so, Jenna, you're wondering, can you double, major and have a minor? And Kelly? Yeah, yeah, you absolutely can. So what I would say is, go ahead and plan to take that next minor course for Kelly next fall. Right? Business Pathways: Get back to campus that a 200 is going to be a good course to get enrolled in, because it's required, for I think almost all 4 of those miners. But if you go on to and I will put this into the chat if you go into the business pathways website, there's a place that links to the descriptions of the miners, and you can dive into that and take a look at those pieces. So hang on just a minute. So the first thing I want to pop in here is the link to the Career Development Center. And there's information there, right on that. First about how to get connected with your career. coach, it says, connect with your career coach, and then the other piece Business Pathways: is. oh. Business Pathways: I you dot you Business Pathways: this path. Business Pathways: Take a look at that. Now somebody open that free and make sure that that goes exactly where we need it to go. I'm pretty sure that's right. Business Pathways: but I just want to make sure. Business Pathways: And that has a lot of the information about the minor. So. Oh, Jenna, you're so welcome. Great! Business Pathways: That's so great. excellent. Business Pathways: So e tell me a little bit in the Q and A. What kind of programs I heard economics and psychology. What other things are you thinking about? Like, even if it's two or three things at this point? That's okay. What are their major programs are you considering? Business Pathways: Go ahead and load that right into the Q and A. Business Pathways: Yup. That is the right link. I just checked it myself, and that is indeed, the right link to get to those miners so great the management, the Spa or sports management awesome. So one of those is in the in your school. And one of those is in the school public health. It is absolutely great. You could actually reach out Business Pathways: to both of those areas to get additional information about those programs and to learn a little bit more about it. So I think that part would be really, really smart to do. And let's see, planning right now, getting a major and management and minors in business and marketing. It was marketing, and a minor and Econ originally, that all sounds fabulous, and that's a great plan. Here's the thing with these plans, folks. Business Pathways: You're gonna end up with the same jobs that you would have had regardless. So that's the really cool part of this, and I've been talking with quite a few alumni over the last couple of weeks who have had majors outside Business Pathways: of the the business specific degrees. And they're doing exactly the same work right? And in some instances what they've told me is they think it's a real benefit, because this is actually what their differentiator is. Business Pathways: You know, they're not coming out of a business specific degree. They've been able to hone in to have some other area of specialty that they can bring to the table. So it was interesting to hear Ellen talk about that, especially when I had just heard that from the long previously. So those are great plans. I love that. I think the other piece, too, that I I didn't get a chance to ask Ellen about was the importance of that study of broad experience. I think that's the other thing to talk to your advisor about and to talk to you. Business Pathways: One of these school specific advisors like, go to talk to someone in O'neal or go to talk to someone in school, public health and say, like, what kind of alternative programs do you have for study abroad like, Do you have summer programs or short term programs or long term? Because that international experience can also be a huge differentiator for you as a part of that process. So absolutely. Business Pathways: I think these are really good paths. Well, just so that you all know Business Pathways: my name is Megan Ray, and I'm working on these Business Pathways as a part of this process. And so if you want to reach out and have more conversations about these or brainstorm. Other ideas. I would tell you. Probably the best people to do this with will be the career coaches. So they are really excellent at this and their actual professionals. But I also am happy to make myself available to have a conversation with you. And so I'm gonna put the dispatch email address into this chat for you all. You also got the announcement for this webinar this evening from that business path email. So that's exactly where you could reach me. if you want to set up a time to chat a little bit more, or if you want to drop me a line, you know, in a couple of weeks and say, Hey, this is the plan that I came up with. I think that part would be really exciting. So I appreciate you all taking the time to come out you this morning or this evening or this afternoon, wherever you are in the world watching this. I really appreciate your investment in this, and I'm excited for you. I think there's going to be some really cool things that you're going to uncover as part of this process. Just let me know if I I could be of help in any way. Oh, you're so welcome, Jenna, absolutely. Business Pathways: absolutely. You will take care, and I, if I don't hear from you shortly, then certainly have a very good weekend, and hopefully we'll hear from you in the next couple of weeks. Thanks so much. Have a good night.

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Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Hello and welcome everyone. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: We're excited to see you. We have a few more minutes until our official start time, so just sit tight and we'll get started in just a few moments. Thanks so much for being here. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Hello, and welcome. Thank you all so much for being here. We just have a few more minutes before our advertised start time of 3 30. So if you all just want to sit tight and hang out for just a little bit longer, then we'll get started. Thanks so much. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Hello. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: My name is Megan Ray, and I'm the Director of Kelly Campus Partnerships, and I'm absolutely delighted that you all have joined us today for this session, and I'm super excited because the business pathways area has partnered with Career Exploration & Student Employment. And my amazing colleague, Lisa Hamilton, is here. Lisa, if you want to say hello. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Yes, thank you so much, Megan. Hi, everyone. My name is Lisa Hamilton. I am the Associate Director for Exploratory Career Coaching with Career Exploration & Student Employment (formerly the Career Development Center, if you've been around for more than a year at IU). Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: But yeah, I'm very happy to be working with Megan on this. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Well, we're super excited and wanted to start today's session with a land acknowledgement so acknowledging and honoring the Miami, Delaware, Pottawatomi and Shawnee people on whose ancestral homelands and resources the school and the campus is built, and encourage you all to learn more about that process. So this land acknowledgement comes from the 1st Nations Cultural Center here on the IU Bloomington campus. And it's a great source Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: for research or just for learning more through their programs. So thank you so much for joining us. We're super excited that you all are here, and let's go ahead and get started. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Okay, yes. This is "Finding Internships and Other High-Impact Experiences." Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: So today, what we're going to do is walk through a bunch of different pieces. So I want to first acknowledge the fact that the idea of searching for internships, no matter whether you're a first-year student or a second-year student, third-year student...wherever you are in the process where you're joining us today, it can be super intimidating. It also feels like every person that you know has an internship, right, or has already had one. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: We're stacking them up, and particularly when it comes to folks who are maybe interested in working in business, it can feel super super intimidating. It's also hard to know where just to start right? So I'm hoping today that you'll be able to take some good notes and then walk away from this with some very actionable steps of things you could be doing. So we're also going to give you a bird's eye view into what kinds of skills and attributes employers are looking for Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: in their candidates. We're going to give you some experiences that you can actually start on as soon as you get off this particular webinar with us. We're going to talk about some of the alternatives to internship searches that may be very valuable in giving you those same kinds of skills that employers are looking for. We're going to cover some search strategies. And then we're going to talk about how the different career services from all the different academic units, and also from career exploration and student employment can help you with these processes. So take it away, Lisa. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Thank you, Megan. Yes, as Megan said, we're going to be covering a lot today. So if you have something to write on and write with that might be helpful to jot down some notes as we go. And please know that we're giving you lots of different examples, not because we expect you to do every single thing, but we're hoping that you'll find some things that resonate with you that might be helpful for you to start right away. But I thought a good place to start might be: Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Why are you even wanting an internship? Besides that reason that Megan already mentioned, it feels like everybody's getting an internship, and that's what we're supposed to be doing. Think about what you're hoping to get out of an internship experience, and why you're hoping to do that right now. And I have some ideas here that may have come up for you when you think about this. So maybe you want to use it to network. And you're hoping to meet people in an industry that you want to break into. Right? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Maybe you want to start building those marketable skills. You came to college with some skills, right? But you want to keep building on that and building the skills you're going to need in the future, in future work. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Maybe to better understand a specific career, field or organization. You think, okay, I think maybe I want to go into this. But what is it really like on a day-to-day basis? Certainly an internship would help you understand that, right? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Or you just want to impress employers. You want to show them that you've done these things, you have. You've had these internships that you've networked and interacted with people in certain fields, doing certain kinds of work. So when we think about impressing employers, we might think: Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: "What are they really looking for? What skills are they looking for? What attributes, what kinds of things are they looking for in future employees and in interns?" So think for just a moment about that. What you think that might be. And I'm going to go ahead and tap onto this next Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: slide here. And what is about to come up are a list of 8 career competencies. So this is like groupings of skills that employers Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: are looking for, that they look for. This comes from the National Association of Colleges and Employers. You don't need to memorize that. But I just want you to understand this is a national organization that does a lot of research and career service offices across the country look to them for their leadership, and helping us to be able to help you with that transition from college to full-time employment. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So when you think about "what is, what is an employer looking for? What do they need? What do they want in a future employee? Or in this case, maybe an intern?" Right. So these are the 8 competencies that they have put together, and you can see that. And I'll go through each one of them here in a moment. But I just want you to understand that, like something like communication. Certainly you already know how to communicate right? You've been doing that almost all of your life. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: But we can still improve on that. So throughout our lives and throughout our careers, we continue to improve. So these are the kinds of things that we don't just do one class or have one experience with and boom! I got it. Got that down, pat don't need to learn anything more about that. So these are a little bit more complex than just one specific skill. So we're looking at critical thinking. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So being able to look and see different points of view, and think in terms of what you know, what might be a good solution to this problem, that kind of thing. Communication: we're talking about written and verbal communication Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Teamwork: being able to work on a team and and take into account lots of different ideas and bringing those together. Technology: When we talk about technology, we're not saying, "Oh, you need to know this one specific Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: program or this one specific Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know, code in this language" or anything like that. We're talking about technology in general, how do we use it to help employers solve problems be be more efficient? So it could be lots of different things, but being able to use technology in those ways. Leadership: Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So being a leader. Some of us, maybe, you know, have a tendency to want to lead all the time. Others are a little bit more quiet in our leadership skills. But being able to look at a team and and make sure everybody's on board and and get the best work out of each other and honor the kinds of life experiences and skills that people are bringing. That's all part of leadership. Professionalism: now, there's a lot of things that go into professionalism. But this might include Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know, just being organized. And you know, being able to. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Oh, I just lost my train of thought. But just being organized. And you know lots of different ways. We can show our professionalism in a work setting Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Now career and self development...oh, go ahead, Megan. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: I think some great examples are email professionalism, text message professionalism. Like, if you're in a situation where you're texting with your supervisor, certainly personal presentation, like how you physically show up to the office, how you mentally show up to the office, if that's the case If you're working remote, what does that look like in terms of professionalism? So those are just a few examples that popped into my head, Lisa. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Those are awesome. Thank you so much, Megan. I just couldn't think of anything. Whoops. Let me go back one. I just accidentally touched my keyboard there. Okay, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: thank you for that. And so then the next one is career and self development. I feel like this one's probably the one that needs the most explanation. We may not think in these terms just on our own, but this is the kind of work that career coaches can help you with, so understanding yourself better, understanding your strengths and your areas that maybe you need to grow in a little bit more, being able to advocate for yourself. To think Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: about: well, I want to grow in this way, or I want to be able to eventually do this kind of work. So I'm going to need to learn these skills. So in advocating for yourself, going to a Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: a supervisor and asking, "Could I be a part of this project? Could I have this special training. Could I be a part of this team?" Different things like that And then equity and inclusion, equity, inclusion means honoring the lived experiences of people who are different from you, and knowing that we all have value. And we're all bringing value to a work environment. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Now, this isn't part of this particular workshop that we're doing today. But I do want to tell you that these Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: 8 competencies are on our website, which we'll look at at the end. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And the website not only has a description of what they are, but also ways you can grow in in different ways when it comes to trying to develop in these areas. And again, this is what employers are looking for. So while we're in classes, and while we're doing different activities, how can we help ourselves grow in these ways? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So we're going to look at some of those ways. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: And I just want to commend all of you for being here, because you're already taking a step in your career and self development by spending this time with us over your break. So. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Yes! Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Oh. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: So if you have met with me at all, or attended a presentation that I've done, you know that I am a huge fan of Forage, which is a virtual work simulation. So at the end of October we had the Halloween holiday, where kids get their costumes on, try them on, and they walk around neighborhoods. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: So Forage is sort of like putting on the costume of a working professional in a particular area. It's an opportunity to try on a different set of tests, a different set of roles, and to learn a little bit about that industry from the inside out. So one of the things I love about Forage Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: is that it doesn't require you to have any kind of experience. So if you're not sure about the particular language a company is using, or a particular concept or idea, the reality is that Forage is going to walk you through exactly what that means. So you're going to get a very close look at what it would be like to work in that industry. Specifically, in many of the simulations, there's also an opportunity Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: to connect with those employers. So you have the opportunity to kind of get into the pipeline with them right from the very beginning. And my favorite thing about Forage is that when you're all done with these simulations, which are like projects that you do, you actually get a tiny blurb that you can cut and paste into your extracurricular activities, on your LinkedIn profile and on your resume. And how cool is it Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: to be able to open up the LinkedIn profile and see: Oh, they've already had exposure to these kinds of companies. So this is a really great program, and I encourage each of you to plan to spend some time, perhaps even over the winter break, when you have a little bit of extra time to get these started. But honestly, you could start one of these this afternoon if you wanted to. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: I wanted to make sure that you knew what kinds of things you could be doing at Forage. And so this is just an example. You can filter from the job simulations page to get into the specific area. So if you were interested in real estate specifically, there are 2 simulations from the CBRE company, and one of them has to do with commercial real estate. One of them has to do with Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: construction management, so you could take a look at those simulations. A lot of them will have a brief video Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: that starts and it introduces the project, and then it walks you through the steps. They also give you an estimated amount of time that it'll take to do one. So if you're interested in exploring consulting, there is a 1 to 2 hour consulting simulation through Forage that you can do. But you don't have to sit down and do it in a 2 hour block. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: You could do it a 30-minute block here, 45-minute here, an hour here until you're finished. So it's something that you can really kind of schedule yourself to do throughout that winter break. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: So just to give you a little bit more detail, this is a group of these simulations that are specific to the filter for sales. So if you were interested or wanted to try on or thought, "I don't know if I would enjoy sales, I want to see what that's like" you can dive into this and can practice these different types. And so, looking at this piece, too, seeing if on-premise sales, or if the Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: client engagement, off-premise sales. You're already learning that there are different languages and different terms for the types of sales that happen within these product companies. So if you're more interested in the advertising component, the New York Times has one as well. And, as you can see from the simulations, they have a timeline that they give to you, for how long they estimate that it will take you to complete this, Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: in addition to the level of difficulty. So typically the introductory ones are the ones that you'll search for right at the beginning, and then you could move into the intermediate options. But I've also had students that jump right into the intermediate, and have a great experience, regardless. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Right. And Megan, I also wanted to mention if there's anyone on on the call today who is an international student with an F1 visa these experiences do not count towards your CPT time, so you can do these experiences and still have your full CPT time. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Thanks, Lisa. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: We have now some micro internships that you might look into and these will count towards CPT time, if you are an F1 visa student. So Parker Dewey and Work & Learn Indiana are too. And just as with Forage, these are free that you can get onto and start an account with. And you can build real world experience. You actually do get paid. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Their projects are often just virtual projects you could work on on your own and take about 5 to 15 hours, and many of them don't require previous experience. So again, all free to Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: our students. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And then we wanted to talk about campus involvement. So Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: we have. And you've probably heard this before. We have over 750 student organizations on campus. So all kinds of things. Some of them are, you know, like the Harry Potter Club, the Sweet Potato Club. I don't know if the Sweet Potato Club is still around, but it might be. But then there are also ones that are connected to future Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: possible careers or career industries, and we would suggest Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: being a part of either or both. So they help you gain leadership experience. And with the ones that are Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: focused on specific industries, you're going to learn more about that industry so often. Then with these student organizations, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: part of their mission is professional development for their members. So they might do things like, you know, take trips and learn about different industries, or develop a portfolio depending on the field. They might have employers come and talk about internship opportunities. They might Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: have alumni come and talk about "Here's what I would recommend. And here's how I use my degree" and different things like that. So it's a chance to network. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Not only that, but you're actually meeting people who are also, you know, in interested in the same things you're interested in, and maybe some of them are upperclassmen. So that means they might graduate before you right? And Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: 80% of the time jobs found in the US are through networking. So it could be that that older student who graduates and starts to work for a company that might, in the end, be a real, great connection for you to have as well. And then I think, Megan, were you going to talk about the Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: SILC? Could you talk about a little bit about the Student Involvement and Leadership Center? Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Absolutely. So, one of the things that I see with students at this point in time in this semester is maybe they've chosen not to get involved in something, or they just haven't found the right fit. Or they applied for a student organization and didn't get in. But there are lots of student organizations at IU that have no application process. You can simply join the group and can become a part of that. One of the places to start is the Student Involvement and Leadership Center. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: And I checked this morning, and it looks like there is a break in the link for their calendar for these one-on-one appointments. But this is something that you could contact the Student Involvement and Leadership Center about. And to say, "I'd like to meet with somebody and talk about how to get involved." There will also be some involvement opportunities at the beginning of next semester. Typically, there will be events that will be held right at the beginning of where Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: classes start. That would give you an opportunity to get involved again. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: and so I strongly encourage you to get connected with those and to check those out. If you need help brainstorming ways to get involved, you're welcome to send me an email. I can get you connected with the Student Involvement and Leadership Center folks, be happy to do that. But do make a plan to connect with at least one student organization. Sometimes I think students aren't sure if they've gone through the recruitment process for Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Greek life, if that counts as a student organization...it certainly does. So that's something that can also provide you with some really great opportunities. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Thanks, Lisa. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Sure I also wanted to mention Be Involved, so that beinvolved.indiana.edu is a database where you can learn about...you can filter by lots of different interest areas and find student organizations that way. So lots of different ways to connect. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So again, you don't have to do all these things. So we just want to give you some different ideas of ways that you could connect and get involved and start to build experience. And one of those might be volunteering Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu:IU Corps, which is an organization on campus. Well, it's an office on campus that connects students and faculty and all the resources for IU, with Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: lots of different opportunities and needs in our community and in surrounding communities, and even throughout the country and world, they do have a form that you can complete. It will help connect you with a volunteer type internship. That might be exactly what you're looking for, so you can check out more on their website at iucorps.indiana.edu. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: and the Kelly Institute for Social Impact is open to all students at IU Bloomington, and has a very specific focus of tying business- related skills to social entrepreneurship. So using your business skills to do good in the world. And through the Civic Leadership Development organization within the Kelly Institute for Social Impact (KISI). They have a series of either ongoing or Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: one time type events that students can use to build those sorts of skills. So that's something worth checking out. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: KISI has an online newsletter. So you can go online and actually sign up to get their weekly newsletter that announces all kinds of different opportunities. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And and just from the point of view of career services, I'll just say that having these volunteer experiences on a resume is a wonderful way to show areas of interest, to connect with future employers and recruiters, to kind of just show your well-roundedness, and you know things that you have a passion for. There's a lot more to it than just, you know, helping somebody out. I mean, there's there's a lot Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: of ways to connect and show and build skills. And you know, just show your passions. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So also it might be that you decide to work part time, or maybe you already work part time. But you haven't thought about, you know, how that is helping you develop. So there is some research that shows that working about 8 to 12 hours per week... Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: those students that do this are more likely to graduate. They earn a higher GPA on average than a student who doesn't work, and they have higher earnings post graduation also, some... often times more closely connecting their graduate, their work after graduation, to to the kind of work that they want to be doing. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: International students can work on campus. That's not a problem. And you will develop those transferable skills. Remember those skills we talked about, these kinds of skills are being developed, whether you're working IU Dining, working for the SRSC working for IU Libraries, lots of different opportunities on campus to develop. And you know critical thinking, communication, teamwork, leadership, these kinds of things. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: And Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: if you've already applied for a job on campus and maybe didn't hear back or didn't get connected, you can meet with a member of the career services team to help you review your materials and to see how you might better position yourself for the second time around. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Right, that's great, and that leads perfectly into this slide. As you may have noticed at the beginning, the office that I work for, the second part of our work besides career exploration is student employment. So we are the student employment office for all students Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: first year through graduate students. So if you need any help or a stronger connection to help you with finding that part time job, we are here for you. We have some staff who speak regularly with on campus employers, and we try to keep those connections, you know, always learning the latest of what's happening and where different organizations on campus are hiring and and also off campus as well. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So that's https://studentemployment.indiana.edu/. I don't know if it's still, I think it is still cdc.indiana.edu. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: But we'll have more information at the end also. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So research might be a way. That you could also gain some experience and develop in those ways that we were talking about earlier, the nice competencies. So Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you can. This is a research university, and there are lots of opportunities even for undergraduate students to do research. I think oftentimes people think of graduate students doing research. But undergraduate students can do research, and it helps you develop in lots of ways. This is another way that you might find that you might be able to work on your career readiness skills or prepare for graduate school, helps you grow Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: personally and professionally academic success helps with critical thinking, reading and writing skills. And it also might help you better understand your areas of interest and what what might be, what might be a good fit for you moving forward. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And you're also developing connections with professors and other personnel on campus Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: the Office of Engaged Learning is a great place to start. If you're thinking about researching. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: they have lots of opportunities there. You can also meet with our staff; we can help with with research opportunities as well, or at least connecting you to the right people to speak with about various research opportunities. But I also say that meeting or talking with professors and area and Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: majors and departments of interest to you is a great place to start with research. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So lots of different things here. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: We still haven't really gotten to actual internships. Right? We're kind of talking about all these little building blocks and things that you could put together for yourself, for maybe next summer. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Certainly we're hoping an internship is what you're able to find and find something that's a great fit for you. But in the meantime you can also think about some of the things that we just discussed. And remember your why, like we talked about at the beginning, why do you want an internship? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So when we think about that, if you, if you said in your mind or wrote down, why you want to network, some ways to network might be informational interviews. So an informational interview is an interview where we kind of "turn the table." So instead of being interviewed for a job, you're interviewing someone about their job to learn more about. What is this really like? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: It's an opportunity to understand better a career field, to understand how you might move into that career field and also your networking. So I've had many students who've done informational interviews. I've helped connect them. Our career coaches can help connect you with people who might be in a field that you're thinking about, that you're interested in. And then those same students who did those informational interviews were called later and Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and asked, "Hey, do you want to apply for this internship? Do you want to do you want to work on this project, or, you know, have a part-time job with us." So you can do informational interviewing to help you network, attending career fairs or career events. This could be networking events, lots of different ways. You could network also. And we kind of talked about a lot of these along the way. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: When we think about building those marketable skills. Maybe it's Forage. Maybe it's LinkedIn Learning. We didn't actually talk about that today. But LinkedIn Learning Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know, this is something that all IU students have an account for. There's lots of great things on there, Parker, Dewey, Indiana Work + Learn, volunteering. All these might help you build those marketable skills. And then, if you're wanting to better understand this for specific career field Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: or an organization. Again, as Megan talked about Forage, this informational interviews could help, job shadowing. So it's all kind of, you know, it all kind of works together. But there might be a few different things that you choose to do and and to impress employers. Any of these experiences. Like Megan said, the fact that you are on this this Zoom call today on your on your Thanksgiving break. You are already doing, starting to do that work. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And so I have this bowl of soup down here at the bottom, and I have "making soup" versus "a can of soup." Okay, what do I mean by that? So I have a colleague that I used to work with? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: He was just incredible, and he always came up with the best analogies, and he talked about how having an internship or getting an internship is like a can of soup. Right? So Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: when we have those internships that we look for, that, we hear about people saying, "Oh, I got this internship with this company," and it's all kind of set in stone. It's a specific internship that's sort of like buying a can of soup. Right? It's all right there all together. They're getting opportunities. They're building skills. They're networking that kind of thing. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: But also, and what might even be better is making your own soup. So kind of putting together different ingredients of what would make an internship. But maybe you're going to do that yourself. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So what might that look like so that might look like, maybe you're going home for the summer, and you know you have, you know, a local company or a local organization, or place, a nonprofit that maybe you could say, "Hey, do you need help with ____? Your Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: marketing? Do you need help with your website? Do you need help with something," and maybe you're going to volunteer a little bit of your time, or if it's a small company, they probably can't build a big internship program, but they might love to take on an intern to help with something, one thing or another. So maybe you're going to spend about. I don't know, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: 10 to 20 hours of your time doing that. Maybe you also need to work someplace because you just need to earn some money, and you're going to work at McDonald's for 20 hours a week. You're going to volunteer somewhere for 10 hours a week and build those skills. And then maybe you could tell yourself, "Okay, you know what I'm going to do Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: 2 or 3 Forage modules this summer. I'm going to do 2 informational interviews, and I'm going to sign up for a LinkedIn learning." So you're kind of just putting it together yourself. You're making your own soup, but it's going to help you in all these ways. Right? You're going to build those marketable skills through your volunteer experience and through your work. You're going to be networking. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: You're going to be learning about different industries, especially if you do some of those informational interviews, the Forage, you know lots of different ways to do that. So we can create our own experience. And it really might check a lot of those boxes of things that we're hoping to get out of that internship. Anything you want to add to that, Megan? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: No, okay, okay. So you might be thinking, yeah, okay, that's great, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Lisa and Megan. But come on, I really want to know, how do I get an internship. Okay? So when we think about internships, maybe for our extroverts, they love this, maybe for introverts, not so much. So really, a lot of it is networking. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So networking means connecting with others with a sense of curiosity, wanting to learn more about a company, about a person's work, about how they got where they are. Could be, you know, again, the informational interviewing. It could be Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: attending some networking events. There's lots of different ways we can connect with others, and again, career coaches can help you more with more steps for that I will also say with Forage. And I I'm not sure, Megan, if you mentioned this or not, but when you get on Forage you can reach out. Once you have that account, and you've started doing some of these modules you can reach out to recruiters and recruiters can reach out to you. So networking can happen through that as well. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So networking. We're going to go into a little bit more detail with each of these. But networking... most of our time is spent networking. We're also going to do some researching, and only about 10% of our time actually applying for things. I think a lot of times people think that's the first thing...they just keep applying and keep applying. But really, these other ways of connecting can be helpful. So why networking? Why this much? Well, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: we find that really about 80% of jobs are in what we call the "hidden job market." Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So these are jobs that may never actually be posted. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: You know, Megan and I work for Indiana University. When Indiana University has an open position they do have Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: to post the position because it's a public university. But organizations, businesses. They don't necessarily have to post things. They might post things if they're looking for someone, but they might also just, you know, know that they know someone who knows someone who does this or who's talked to them, or who's been networking with them. And they those jobs go out to people because they've already had those they already have those connections. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: I have a former student who used to work for me, who was doing a lot of informational interviewing her senior year, and did informational interviewing to learn about human capital consulting, and she actually did so with a company, with some Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: employees of a company that said they weren't hiring, but she just wanted to learn. And and, you know, do those interviews anyway, and learn more. Well, then, it turned out after further on, into that season of hiring, they said, "Well, actually, we do have an opening." And they went to Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: their employees, who were recruiters and said, "Do you already know somebody, because we actually do need someone now." And because my former student, Eva, had been doing these informational interviews already, just for her own benefit, not because she thought it was going to lead to anything. She was the first name that came up. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and she ended up getting the job. So you just never know. I always say that networking is like planting a lot of seeds, and you don't know which one's going to grow right. But you're just kind of putting yourself out there, trying to meet people, trying to learn more about them and not thinking about it in terms of "what can I get out of it." But more like, I'm curious. I want to learn more about this industry. I want to learn more about how people, you know, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: people's career journeys and how they got where they are. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Okay. So Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: if we're talking about networking, how can we expand that network? Well, you could connect with your professors. Professors often know people. They might have Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know, worked with students who go on to graduate and work in different fields, and you never know how that might be helpful. They also know a lot about different industries, informational interviewing that 20 to 30 minute conversation between you and a professional. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: LinkedIn if you have a LinkedIn account. There are ways you can connect with alumni in a career field of interest. And that's something again that a career coach could help you, if you're feeling like you're not...your LinkedIn profile isn't quite where you want it to be. And then the student organizations and professional organizations. So we talked a little more in depth about student organizations already, but professional...or professional associations I mean professional associations, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: pretty much every career field has professional associations. So they're associations where people in that field learn from each other. They have conferences. They talk about industry trends. They talk about lots of different things. And students like, once, you know, a certain field you want to go into. Students can often join those professionals associations at a very discounted cost, and that can be a way to connect with professionals. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So again, networking's the main thing we're doing. But then, also, we want to do some research. We want to find out more about what's even possible and what's out there. And what's the latest happening in different industries? And who's hiring and all those kinds of things. So official company websites are a great way to research and learn more about different organizations, the work they do, their initiatives. Their mission, their values, everything that they're about LinkedIn. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: You can learn about people. You can learn about organizations. You can follow different Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: professional associations through LinkedIn media sources. How is a company being represented in the media? Consulting industry? Annual reports? Lots of different industries put out annual reports of what's happening in their field, and it's good to stay up on those things. And when you do have the opportunity to network to be able to ask those questions that show that you've done some research and then an informational interview for the firsthand perspective. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So where do you actually find those jobs? So now we're down to the applying, which again, it's only about 10% of our time if we're looking. So Handshake, you can filter in Handshake, which is the, if you're not familiar with Handshake, let me back up a little. That's the career service platform where you can sign up to meet with a career coach. You can Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: find out about career events coming up. And you can look for jobs. So this could be internships, part time jobs, full time jobs, and you can filter by location by the type of industry. Different things like that. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Vault is on our website. You can link to it Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: https://indiana.vault.com/. I'm pretty sure that's it. But our Indiana University, Bloomington, does have a Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: They have purchased access to Vault, which is a way to look for jobs, to learn more about different industries. And this access is available to all IU Bloomington students. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: IU Jobs there might be if you're looking for internships. There are internships on campus that you might really fit and align with what you're looking for. LinkedIn, which we talked about before, official company sites, Chamber of Commerce for the city from which you where you plan to live this coming summer, you can learn more about the all the different industries and companies in that city, and often times they will have job postings. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Ascend is where you can look for opportunities in Indiana. If you're planning to stay in the state of Indiana next summer, Indeed, Glassdoor, there's some others like that, Monster, so Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: lots of different ways. You could look like that, and then Interstride. Interstride is a great resource for finding internships, for international students and for students who want Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: opportunities to work or intern in different parts of the world. And again, IU is partnered with Interstride so you can find some really great information there, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: some other opportunities when it comes to Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: if you're interested in interning Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: in another part of the world. Or if you are an international student looking to intern here. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: So this is the slide that Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: represents the office that I'm from. Again, Career Exploration & Student Employment. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Our website is careerexploration.indiana.edu, our email at iucareer@iu.edu and Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: we're on Instagram, also, @iuundergrad. So we are part of the Undergraduate Education office. We also have a really cool podcast called Major Choices that you can stream anywhere you stream podcasts and Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: all kinds of wonderful information there that you could take a look at. I am going to, can I? I'm going to just also put my email in the chat here. I think? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: I'm putting this in the right place that it's going to everyone. Is that right, Megan? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Okay. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Megan, do you want to talk about the the next slide, or do you want me to? I don't... Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Yeah, I'm happy to. So. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Oh, sorry! Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Here we go! Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: So just so that everyone is aware if you have already applied and been accepted, or have been certified into another school like, let's say that you decided the beginning of the sophomore year that you were going to move into the Economics department, or you have moved into Exercise Science, or you're in the School of Ed or in the O'Neill School. All of these different schools across the IU Bloomington campus Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: have career services, centers that are specialized to support you. And so I put some of these on here just as an example. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: And some of them offer programs that are open for all students like this electronic credential for Public Health majors. This is something that is available that all students can sign up for. Take one or two courses that are career preparation courses through the Public Health area. And then you also do a series of co-curricular activities. And when you're done, they actually grant you an Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: electronic credential for having done that work. There are many, many different career preparation classes that are available across the campus, and I would encourage you to look into those. Ask your academic advisor, "is there a career preparation class for my particular major program, or for my school that I can look into?" Because sometimes it's not enough to just know that you need to be doing these things. Sometimes you need to have a very Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: structured environment within which to kind of work through this and to do these types of things. And so if you know that about yourself, a career preparation class is a great way to do that. So I encourage you to check some of these out. Typically, any of the programs that are offered on Handshake when you go into "Career Center Events" and look at the events that are listed. They will be open for any student at IU Bloomington to participate Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: in so lots of really great opportunities there to get a little bit more exposure, or to simply go and walk through a career fair and meet some of the employers that are there. So if you're interested in those opportunities, I just wanted to call your attention to the fact that there are many, many different career centers across the IU Bloomington campus. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Great Lisa! I think you're on mute, and so we can't hear you. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Thank you. I also wanted to put into the chat Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: our informational interview guide that I thought Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: might be helpful if anybody's interested in learning more about that. And again, a career coach could help you connect with someone in industry that you're hoping to interview, or they could help you find someone on LinkedIn who's an IU alum or someone else. If you have a LinkedIn account, if you don't have a LinkedIn account, they could also help you with Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know, developing that LinkedIn account and and feeling like you're ready to share that with others. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: I think this is our last slide, Megan, so I don't know if we have any questions beyond this Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: they're asking. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: I have one question that I've already answered as we went through the presentation. But if you have other questions, and you want to put those into the Q & A. We certainly have some time to answer those, if you would like. If not, you're welcome to go about your day. Have a wonderful restorative break. We'll be offering another session tomorrow at 11:00 am, Eastern time, and I did put the link to sign up for that into the chat Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: as well, so that you could access that if you're free, and if you want to join us. Lisa will be doing a session that talks about how to polish up your LinkedIn profile. So there's a question that just came in from the Q & A, Lisa. And it's "what are the best questions to ask someone during an informational interview?" Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Wonderful. Yes. So the the link that I just put in there for the informational interview. It does have several questions in there, so that has an overview of of what is an informational interview, how to prepare ahead of time, questions to ask. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and then also you know, you always want to write a thank you note afterwards, because you always want to thank people for their time. So that's the part of that guide. But specific questions, I would say again, depends on what your goal is. I guess I always come back to that thinking you know. What what am I hoping to get out of this. If you're wanting to learn more about Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: what is this career field really like? What's it really like to do this kind of work? Some great questions for that, or, you know, tell me about a typical day or a typical week. What do you love about your job? What do you find challenging, because every job has some challenging things, even when we love our jobs. Sometimes there's some challenging parts. So you know, just kind of getting a sense of what is it like? What do you wish you had known before you went into the field? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And then you can also, maybe part of your goal is to like, how do I get there, you know, you can ask someone "could you tell me about your career journey, how you got where you are" so that you have a better sense of like: What did it take? What were the steps they took? And then maybe they took a roundabout way, so you can always ask them, you know. What do you? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: What would you recommend to somebody that wants to go into this field? Maybe there was a more direct way that they didn't take that they would. They would love to share with you. Or maybe you're wondering, how do I get there? And you could ask something like, What does your Hr. Department look for in a in an intern candidate? What are you know? What should I be trying to work on. What do you wish you had done more of when you were in college? Or in in preparation for this Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: work? Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: We've got a couple more questions that have come in. One is about professionalism. So where do we find the correct way and format to professionally email or text people that you want to reach out to. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Okay. So Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: with an email, I would say you'd want to email, probably more than text. But I don't know. If you happen to have their phone number. Maybe this is some a connection to you in another way. I think it's important to introduce yourself. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Explain that you were an IU student, and that you have an interest in a field that's connected to them. This may be somebody who was an IU alum, so you know, saying that you're an IU student, and you saw that they were an IU alum, you know, finding that connection somehow. So whether it's IU, whether it's, you know, you're interested in the field that they're in Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and you know, then you want to ask them. You know I would love to, you know if you happen, if you happen to have 20 to 30 minutes Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: that I could interview you about your work, I would love to learn more. I think it's just really important that you go into those interactions with a sense of curiosity and wanting to learn more about what they do again. You know, it might be really different than what you think. It is. So I think that can be really, really helpful. But you know, I think more than thinking like, what am I going to get out of this or like? How can I get an internship or a job? But just kind of more like Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: what? You know. What can I learn, you know. Would you be willing to share? And if people have time, I mean I will say Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: a lot of times. You know Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: I adjunct for Kelly. I teach Compass I for Kelley, and and we have an assignment of doing an informational interview, and I know I always warn my students a lot of times. People are really busy so definitely make sure you give them plenty of time. To, you know, if you're wanting to meet with them and not like I'm hoping you can meet in 2 days, but more maybe like 2 weeks, or something like that. And give them a range of days and times that you could meet Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and you know. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: take it from there. Also, I would reach out to more than one person, if possible, and and don't take it personally if somebody doesn't get back to you. You never know what's happening for somebody. But you know, you know, on, on LinkedIn, I usually tell students, if you reach out to 10 people, if you hear back from 2, then I think you're doing really great. So Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: if you have a connection, if somebody like sometimes just, you know, letting people, the the older adults in your life, know that you're looking for somebody in a certain field you never know might know somebody who knows somebody. So I think those connections can be really helpful, too. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: I'm also going to drop a link in to a suggested LinkedIn Learning seminar. That's about professional writing and writing emails in particular, that might be really helpful, and you could search through LinkedIn Learning to find some other things that would talk specifically about this that might be really helpful to listen to. So we had a question come in, "how hard is it to find an internship in your first year?" Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: And I know, Lisa, you and I have talked about this. I have very strong feelings about the internship after the first year. I think students should rest, Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: go home, get a part-time job to build those skills right. But then take a breather because you're going to have plenty of time the rest of your life to work. But that said, sometimes there are some folks who are super excited about trying to get that internship in the first year, and how tough is that for folks? Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: I think, getting.. so, a lot of internships that we think of like those really formal internship programs are just going to be for juniors. So those aren't going to be possible to get. But you could get some kind of experience that you could use as an internship. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Just you know you you never know like. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: and and again like kind of putting those different pieces together. Remember that "making your own soup" kind of thing. So I think if you're... if you are on it, and you're willing to, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know, do what it, you know. I shouldn't say do what it takes, but willing to reach out to people, to do Forage, you know, to Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: LinkedIn, do the different things that might help you in different ways. I think you can find some kind of experience that you'll find meaningful. That will give you an opportunity to network, that will give you an opportunity to build skills and to learn more about an industry. So between like informational interviewing and doing Forage, I mean, I think those things alone, Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you're gonna get some really great experiences. But I think people end up getting some kind...I mean, you could, you know, if you happen to be in a town where there's, you know, a local business owner. And you say, "Hey, can I Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: come do this work for you? " And they say "Sure." I mean, you can call it an internship right? I mean it...it...that could be your internship. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: I think, too, it's also helpful to know that when you're in Handshake and you're doing the search in the jobs area for internships, it will typically say, down at the bottom what year they are looking for in terms of sophomore, junior seniors, and sometimes sophomore Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: immersion programs are a possibility to apply for where a company, maybe, has only a week-long experience in the summer, where they will invite candidates in to come and do a job shadow type experience. And so you can look for those kinds of programs as well from some of the larger companies also. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Right. Those are, those are great opportunities to just kind of get a sense of what is a company like. And Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: yeah, definitely. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Absolutely, and Lisa, I have a question. "How could I reach out to a company or individual who does not have an internship available or posted, but they might be interested if I reached out to them?" Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Okay, yeah. So like, you're saying that, like, I was saying, reach out. So I mean, I would Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: let. Yeah, I would, you know again write it like they would call it like a letter of intent or a letter of application as opposed to a cover letter. So this Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: again, a career coach can help you with this also, because it's a little more involved than just on this session right now. But you would want to reach out, let them know. You know the first paragraph of a letter like that is usually kind of Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: buttering them up a little, that if you know that term that so you're kind of, you know, telling them why, you why, you you know what you think of their company, that you that you appreciate their mission, values, that these kinds of things like what you like about their company, and why you think that you might be a good fit. There. That's kind of the first paragraph, and then you're going to go into some of the things that you're Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: you know. It's always more about like what you can do for them, not like what they can do for you. So like, you know that you would love that you, you know, want to gain experience in this or that like, that you have some skills, and you're hoping to apply them in different ways. So if you can think of those kinds of things that you feel like you could do for the company Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: or the organization. You know, kind of letting them know these are the areas that I Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: I'm developing in. And I have some experience and hope to develop and demonstrate more in. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: And then, you know, then the last paragraph is just, I hope, that we can connect, and you know that kind of Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: asking for some time to meet with them and share more about what you would hope to be able to do for them. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: that that's kind of how you would end it. That's kind of. But again, we could talk in more detail about Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: what that might look like. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: You know, writing that out exactly. So. Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: Well, Lisa, I just wanted to thank you so much for your time today, and I really appreciate the energy and the effort. And I love the questions. So thank you all so much. We're going to go ahead and close for today's session. But again, we'll be back at 11 o'clock tomorrow at Bloomington time to share more information with you about updating and polishing up your resume and your LinkedIn profile. So if you Megan Ray (she/her)-Business Pathways meray@iu.edu: want to register for that program. You can do so from the email that you used to register for this program. So thanks so much and enjoy your break. Lisa Hamilton (she/her) lidhamil@iu.edu: Thank you so much. Everyone.