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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 SUSANNAH EASTWICK: My name is Susannah Eastwick. 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.880 I serve as the director of the Physician MBA Program 3 00:00:04.880 --> 00:00:07.220 at Indiana University's Kelley School of Business. 4 00:00:07.220 --> 00:00:09.880 And I'm thrilled to spend time with all of you. 5 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:13.280 You are in for an incredible experience 6 00:00:13.280 --> 00:00:17.080 being able to learn directly from Dr. Megan Kalambo, who just 7 00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:19.280 graduated on Saturday, but she's going 8 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.860 to be able to share her perspective on the program, 9 00:00:21.860 --> 00:00:24.420 and it's very fresh and new perspective. 10 00:00:24.420 --> 00:00:26.020 Thank you for spending time with us. 11 00:00:26.020 --> 00:00:28.960 So let me dig through a little bit of our nuts and bolts 12 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:31.600 before I turn it over to Dr. Kalambo. 13 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:34.960 So first, of course, the Physician MBA. 14 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.640 And there's only a handful of physician MBA programs 15 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:40.920 in the country. 16 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:44.540 And I often get the question of OK, why a physician MBA? 17 00:00:44.540 --> 00:00:46.720 I mean, obviously, Kelley has many different MBA 18 00:00:46.720 --> 00:00:48.020 programs you can choose from. 19 00:00:48.020 --> 00:00:50.840 So why did we start an MBA program for physicians? 20 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.780 Well, we are very focused on our mission. 21 00:00:54.780 --> 00:00:56.900 This program grew out of a program 22 00:00:56.900 --> 00:01:00.790 we started with our School of Medicine here on the IU campus 23 00:01:00.790 --> 00:01:03.350 and has stubbornly stuck to the mission 24 00:01:03.350 --> 00:01:07.310 that we believe that physician leadership is the change that 25 00:01:07.310 --> 00:01:11.310 needs to happen in healthcare, and specifically that physicians 26 00:01:11.310 --> 00:01:13.110 best understand patient care. 27 00:01:13.110 --> 00:01:16.550 And so if we can equip you with the tools, knowledge, and skills 28 00:01:16.550 --> 00:01:20.230 that you need to lead most effectively, 29 00:01:20.230 --> 00:01:24.650 then you can play the leadership role in driving change. 30 00:01:24.650 --> 00:01:29.170 I'm actually here at the SGIM conference, 31 00:01:29.170 --> 00:01:32.310 the Society for General Internal Medicine conference here in D.C. 32 00:01:32.310 --> 00:01:35.730 And just went to a session yesterday on physicians as CEOs. 33 00:01:35.730 --> 00:01:37.430 And it was a research study done out 34 00:01:37.430 --> 00:01:42.630 of McKinsey that was just explosive in the recognition 35 00:01:42.630 --> 00:01:47.070 that any time a physician is in a CEO role, which is actually 36 00:01:47.070 --> 00:01:49.990 any leadership role, they went on to extrapolate, 37 00:01:49.990 --> 00:01:54.610 that the organization performs better on every metrics, 38 00:01:54.610 --> 00:01:58.830 on efficiency, on performance, on financial accountability, 39 00:01:58.830 --> 00:02:01.450 et cetera, et cetera, because physicians best 40 00:02:01.450 --> 00:02:06.570 understand how to help make the mission and the margin align. 41 00:02:06.570 --> 00:02:08.009 And so that's what we're doing, is 42 00:02:08.009 --> 00:02:11.850 we're equipping you with the knowledge, skills, and tools 43 00:02:11.850 --> 00:02:16.050 to be successful in helping lead change across healthcare. 44 00:02:16.050 --> 00:02:18.250 So of course, the Kelley School of Business-- and I 45 00:02:18.250 --> 00:02:21.410 want to note, this is a great picture from our leadership 46 00:02:21.410 --> 00:02:22.682 course here on the screen. 47 00:02:22.682 --> 00:02:24.390 The Kelley School of Business, of course, 48 00:02:24.390 --> 00:02:26.970 is one of the top business schools in the US. 49 00:02:26.970 --> 00:02:29.810 We have number one rankings across the board, probably 50 00:02:29.810 --> 00:02:33.430 most notably for our online MBA program. 51 00:02:33.430 --> 00:02:34.510 And why do we share this? 52 00:02:34.510 --> 00:02:37.316 Because when you come to a top-ranked business school, 53 00:02:37.316 --> 00:02:40.970 you know you're going to get a certain quality of faculty, 54 00:02:40.970 --> 00:02:45.130 a quality of students, and an applicability 55 00:02:45.130 --> 00:02:47.730 by coming to a program that's recognized 56 00:02:47.730 --> 00:02:49.330 as a top-ranked school. 57 00:02:49.330 --> 00:02:51.230 And being the No. 58 00:02:51.230 --> 00:02:54.570 1-ranked online MBA, and we've been ranked number one for more 59 00:02:54.570 --> 00:02:58.160 than a decade now, means you can study online with us with 60 00:02:58.160 --> 00:03:01.080 confidence, knowing we are the top of our game in how we 61 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.200 deliver business content online. 62 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:05.000 So, as I mentioned, one of the reasons 63 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.920 why it's so valuable in terms of being at a ranked business 64 00:03:08.920 --> 00:03:10.920 school is the faculty. 65 00:03:10.920 --> 00:03:13.520 And in our case, our faculty that 66 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.280 teach in our physician MBA program 67 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.400 are actually quite unusual. 68 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.560 In business schools, faculty are incentivized 69 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:24.320 to do research, specifically in consumer goods, manufacturing, 70 00:03:24.320 --> 00:03:25.220 and things like that. 71 00:03:25.220 --> 00:03:26.760 They're not typically incentivized 72 00:03:26.760 --> 00:03:28.960 to do healthcare research. 73 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.000 And that's primarily because healthcare 74 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:32.907 is so heavily regulated. 75 00:03:32.907 --> 00:03:34.240 And you'll hear people say this. 76 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.500 And you'll never hear that answer from our faculty 77 00:03:36.500 --> 00:03:38.760 because that's a research area for them. 78 00:03:38.760 --> 00:03:41.140 They do joint research with our medical school. 79 00:03:41.140 --> 00:03:44.640 But additionally, they're also really qualified 80 00:03:44.640 --> 00:03:46.380 and skilled at teaching physicians. 81 00:03:46.380 --> 00:03:50.480 They understand the physician learning style being there's 82 00:03:50.480 --> 00:03:53.160 actually been a study done on how do you deliver CMEs 83 00:03:53.160 --> 00:03:55.620 effectively for the long-term retention of knowledge 84 00:03:55.620 --> 00:03:56.960 and practicing physicians. 85 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.660 And what they found is that you first 86 00:03:58.660 --> 00:04:01.340 recognize what the physician already knows, 87 00:04:01.340 --> 00:04:03.000 then introduce the new knowledge, 88 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.440 give you an opportunity to apply that knowledge, 89 00:04:05.440 --> 00:04:06.940 and then reflect on it. 90 00:04:06.940 --> 00:04:09.520 That cycle is what increases your retention. 91 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.260 So you'll see our delivery model is built around the learning 92 00:04:12.260 --> 00:04:13.060 style. 93 00:04:13.060 --> 00:04:14.280 But also our faculty. 94 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:16.500 They're always going to find a way that you're 95 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:18.620 applying what you're learning, and reflecting 96 00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:21.540 on what you're learning so that you get that retention. 97 00:04:21.540 --> 00:04:24.980 And of course, they are very well skilled 98 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:28.620 at both online learning and in-person content. 99 00:04:28.620 --> 00:04:31.980 Here's a great quote from one of our alumni 100 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:35.460 in the program, Dr. Summer Liston-Crandall, who 101 00:04:35.460 --> 00:04:36.560 graduated last year. 102 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.760 She's a CMO at a regional hospital in Wisconsin. 103 00:04:39.760 --> 00:04:42.060 And her quote here, "I enrolled in this program 104 00:04:42.060 --> 00:04:45.980 because I want to make healthcare work better and know 105 00:04:45.980 --> 00:04:48.460 how to navigate our complex system. 106 00:04:48.460 --> 00:04:50.340 Learning alongside other physician leaders 107 00:04:50.340 --> 00:04:53.650 and faculty who've taught physicians from the start 108 00:04:53.650 --> 00:04:56.150 really makes the Kelley Physician MBA stand out. 109 00:04:56.150 --> 00:04:58.210 Whether learning process improvement, economics, 110 00:04:58.210 --> 00:05:01.570 or finance, we can apply everything to the healthcare 111 00:05:01.570 --> 00:05:03.170 setting." 112 00:05:03.170 --> 00:05:05.190 Another quote here from Dr. Andrew Jea, 113 00:05:05.190 --> 00:05:07.390 who graduated from our program a few years ago. 114 00:05:07.390 --> 00:05:09.970 He says "This has been one of the most valuable experiences 115 00:05:09.970 --> 00:05:11.110 in my professional life. 116 00:05:11.110 --> 00:05:14.610 I can say with absolute authenticity and conviction. 117 00:05:14.610 --> 00:05:17.290 "It's valuable to step away from your practice to gain that 118 00:05:17.290 --> 00:05:21.303 30,000 foot view in the big picture of healthcare. 119 00:05:21.303 --> 00:05:22.970 And to do it with like-minded colleagues 120 00:05:22.970 --> 00:05:25.410 and discussing concepts with your expert 121 00:05:25.410 --> 00:05:27.290 faculty in a meaningful way, you can apply it 122 00:05:27.290 --> 00:05:28.910 to your everyday job. 123 00:05:28.910 --> 00:05:30.970 It was an exceptional opportunity." 124 00:05:30.970 --> 00:05:36.570 And so Andrew and Summer both demonstrate that ability 125 00:05:36.570 --> 00:05:40.090 that our faculty have to be those experts that 126 00:05:40.090 --> 00:05:43.410 help you apply what you're learning into healthcare. 127 00:05:43.410 --> 00:05:45.890 So why choose the Physician MBA Program? 128 00:05:45.890 --> 00:05:47.530 When you're looking at MBA programs, 129 00:05:47.530 --> 00:05:49.750 and you're really thinking about what's the best match for you? 130 00:05:49.750 --> 00:05:51.030 Where's the best investment? 131 00:05:51.030 --> 00:05:52.870 How do I best spend my time? 132 00:05:52.870 --> 00:05:55.130 There's four different things to look at. 133 00:05:55.130 --> 00:05:57.850 It's who's teaching the courses? 134 00:05:57.850 --> 00:05:59.550 So looking at those faculty. 135 00:05:59.550 --> 00:06:02.190 What are the courses? 136 00:06:02.190 --> 00:06:04.790 Who will you be studying alongside 137 00:06:04.790 --> 00:06:06.810 and what value will they add? 138 00:06:06.810 --> 00:06:09.070 And then how are the courses delivered? 139 00:06:09.070 --> 00:06:11.230 And so we've talked about the faculty 140 00:06:11.230 --> 00:06:13.690 and the incredible expertise that they bring. 141 00:06:13.690 --> 00:06:15.910 Let's talk about the curriculum. 142 00:06:15.910 --> 00:06:18.590 And I always say, as you're considering MBA programs, 143 00:06:18.590 --> 00:06:22.675 take the curriculum of each program, lay it out and compare. 144 00:06:22.675 --> 00:06:24.050 Take a highlighter and highlight, 145 00:06:24.050 --> 00:06:26.510 these are the classes that I'm most interested in. 146 00:06:26.510 --> 00:06:29.733 When you play that game, we win every time. 147 00:06:29.733 --> 00:06:31.150 And I can say that with confidence 148 00:06:31.150 --> 00:06:34.990 because our curriculum is a specially designed curriculum 149 00:06:34.990 --> 00:06:38.410 right at the intersection of business and medicine, 150 00:06:38.410 --> 00:06:41.230 and it's really designed to answer the question of what 151 00:06:41.230 --> 00:06:45.590 a physician's most need to know to lead the industry moving 152 00:06:45.590 --> 00:06:46.330 forward. 153 00:06:46.330 --> 00:06:48.430 And so what we do is we pull best practices 154 00:06:48.430 --> 00:06:51.360 from all industries, so from manufacturing, 155 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.220 from consumer goods, from services, et cetera, 156 00:06:54.220 --> 00:06:58.600 and talk about how those could be used in healthcare. 157 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.660 And so ultimately, we don't just talk about 158 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:03.000 how is the healthcare system currently operating, 159 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.900 but how it should operate, and where it needs to change. 160 00:07:06.900 --> 00:07:08.400 And if you're thinking, oh, my gosh, 161 00:07:08.400 --> 00:07:09.940 I've looked at some of the courses, 162 00:07:09.940 --> 00:07:12.600 [throat clearing] excuse me, and I'm not a quantitative person. 163 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.500 I can't do math, et cetera, et cetera. 164 00:07:14.500 --> 00:07:17.700 All the time we always pair a quantitative course 165 00:07:17.700 --> 00:07:19.520 with a qualitative course. 166 00:07:19.520 --> 00:07:22.380 So each quarter you're using both sides of your brain 167 00:07:22.380 --> 00:07:25.620 and really getting that nice balance and ability 168 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:30.260 to think very strategically throughout our curriculum. 169 00:07:30.260 --> 00:07:33.200 And we use a problem-based learning model. 170 00:07:33.200 --> 00:07:35.700 Now, if you remember, I was just talking about the physician 171 00:07:35.700 --> 00:07:37.260 learning style and how important it 172 00:07:37.260 --> 00:07:39.580 is that you apply what you're learning in order 173 00:07:39.580 --> 00:07:42.020 to retain the information, and that's what we do 174 00:07:42.020 --> 00:07:44.180 in almost every single class. 175 00:07:44.180 --> 00:07:46.660 We're always asking you either to bring in situations 176 00:07:46.660 --> 00:07:50.040 you're facing within your organization, projects 177 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.820 from a team member's organization. 178 00:07:51.820 --> 00:07:54.340 You're on study teams of four to five physicians each, 179 00:07:54.340 --> 00:07:56.620 and you change teams throughout the program 180 00:07:56.620 --> 00:07:59.040 so that you get the opportunity to really network with one 181 00:07:59.040 --> 00:07:59.860 another. 182 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:02.060 We use a case-based teaching method, 183 00:08:02.060 --> 00:08:04.700 which is very popular among top business schools, 184 00:08:04.700 --> 00:08:06.940 and it's a very experiential program. 185 00:08:06.940 --> 00:08:09.160 Dr. Kalambo can talk about, one of the highlights 186 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.760 in her curriculum was a trip to Toyota 187 00:08:11.760 --> 00:08:16.120 to really look at how does Lean Six Sigma work in practicality. 188 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.140 And so you'll see that problem-based learning. 189 00:08:18.140 --> 00:08:21.640 And it really ultimately ends with the capstone course, which 190 00:08:21.640 --> 00:08:25.480 is, we ask you to think of a real-world problem 191 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.340 that you would want to solve in the next two to three years, 192 00:08:28.340 --> 00:08:30.320 that either is from your organization 193 00:08:30.320 --> 00:08:33.480 or a new organization or a new problem you want to solve, 194 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.919 and we give you the framework to essentially write 195 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.440 an entire business plan around that solution, 196 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.980 as well as make an executive presentation around it. 197 00:08:42.980 --> 00:08:45.093 So you're in a cohort-based program. 198 00:08:45.093 --> 00:08:47.010 You come in with the same group of physicians. 199 00:08:47.010 --> 00:08:48.552 You take all your coursework together 200 00:08:48.552 --> 00:08:50.670 in what's called a lockstep curriculum. 201 00:08:50.670 --> 00:08:53.250 So that means it's really builds upon itself. 202 00:08:53.250 --> 00:08:55.970 You start with a more entry level courses, 203 00:08:55.970 --> 00:08:58.110 and then it graduates to the capstone, 204 00:08:58.110 --> 00:09:00.390 like a tiered wedding cake. 205 00:09:00.390 --> 00:09:02.650 You're in a room of like-minded individuals. 206 00:09:02.650 --> 00:09:05.030 So that's one of the huge benefits. 207 00:09:05.030 --> 00:09:08.130 208 00:09:08.130 --> 00:09:09.890 When you go into a traditional classroom, 209 00:09:09.890 --> 00:09:11.973 everybody already speaks the language of business. 210 00:09:11.973 --> 00:09:15.372 They already are talking about different financial concepts 211 00:09:15.372 --> 00:09:16.330 and marketing concepts. 212 00:09:16.330 --> 00:09:17.422 It's their daily language. 213 00:09:17.422 --> 00:09:19.630 It's like going to one of your administrator meetings 214 00:09:19.630 --> 00:09:21.610 where you're googling the words that they're saying, 215 00:09:21.610 --> 00:09:23.390 trying to figure out what are they saying. 216 00:09:23.390 --> 00:09:25.350 In our case, everybody walks in the door 217 00:09:25.350 --> 00:09:27.670 with the same clinical language, and then 218 00:09:27.670 --> 00:09:33.350 uses the language of business to evolve themselves together. 219 00:09:33.350 --> 00:09:35.990 And that peer-learning aspect is one 220 00:09:35.990 --> 00:09:37.610 of the highlights of the program, 221 00:09:37.610 --> 00:09:39.860 because you can actually learn as much from each other 222 00:09:39.860 --> 00:09:41.090 as you do from the faculty. 223 00:09:41.090 --> 00:09:44.150 And we really encourage that through our team-based peer 224 00:09:44.150 --> 00:09:45.870 learning that I already mentioned. 225 00:09:45.870 --> 00:09:48.650 It's a very flexible delivery model. 226 00:09:48.650 --> 00:09:51.390 Almost all of our online work is asynchronous. 227 00:09:51.390 --> 00:09:53.110 We will offer live class sessions. 228 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:55.250 They're always on Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 8 p.m. 229 00:09:55.250 --> 00:09:55.950 Eastern. 230 00:09:55.950 --> 00:09:58.390 But if you're not able to attend live, they're recorded. 231 00:09:58.390 --> 00:10:00.550 And so you can watch them at your own convenience. 232 00:10:00.550 --> 00:10:02.643 And the rest of it, you decide when you want 233 00:10:02.643 --> 00:10:03.810 to plug in with the program. 234 00:10:03.810 --> 00:10:06.010 The faculty always stay a few weeks ahead of you 235 00:10:06.010 --> 00:10:08.230 so that you can work ahead in the program. 236 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:10.100 And we really think about efficiency. 237 00:10:10.100 --> 00:10:11.850 Like, for example, if you were considering 238 00:10:11.850 --> 00:10:14.810 one of our other programs, such as our online MBA, 239 00:10:14.810 --> 00:10:16.770 the workload is much higher because they 240 00:10:16.770 --> 00:10:19.390 don't know what everyone knows and they have to have that. 241 00:10:19.390 --> 00:10:20.850 So our workload in our online MBA 242 00:10:20.850 --> 00:10:22.190 is closer to 20 hours a week. 243 00:10:22.190 --> 00:10:24.290 Whereas in our Physician MBA, our physicians 244 00:10:24.290 --> 00:10:28.310 report spending about 10 to 14 hours a week on average. 245 00:10:28.310 --> 00:10:29.730 And of course, that's an average. 246 00:10:29.730 --> 00:10:32.610 But that's very doable because a lot of it 247 00:10:32.610 --> 00:10:36.030 is put together in bite-sized chunks, 15, 248 00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:39.850 20 minute videos, readings that can be picked up and put down. 249 00:10:39.850 --> 00:10:41.330 And so we think about your workload 250 00:10:41.330 --> 00:10:44.440 and how to make this effective while also still challenging 251 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:44.940 you. 252 00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:47.300 It's a 51 credit hour MBA program. 253 00:10:47.300 --> 00:10:53.000 It is not, by any means, going to be the Diet Coke of an MBA, 254 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.040 but it is going to be very respectful of your time 255 00:10:57.040 --> 00:10:59.040 and very much programmed to how you learn 256 00:10:59.040 --> 00:11:00.880 and what you need to know. 257 00:11:00.880 --> 00:11:03.840 We give you an executive coach for the duration 258 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.220 of the program who walks alongside you, 259 00:11:06.220 --> 00:11:09.140 essentially saying as you're going, what are you learning? 260 00:11:09.140 --> 00:11:10.800 How are you learning it? 261 00:11:10.800 --> 00:11:12.960 What are you doing with it to achieve the goals 262 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:14.800 you have set for yourself? 263 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:17.720 We also have courses that go abroad and look at health 264 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.180 systems outside the US. 265 00:11:19.180 --> 00:11:20.580 Dr. Kalambo can talk about that. 266 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:23.120 She was on our trip to Portugal and Spain. 267 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.940 We change locations every year. 268 00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:27.960 And our goal with that course is really looking at best practices 269 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.240 throughout the world, and where we 270 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.200 might be able to learn from those best practices to help 271 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.400 change the US healthcare system. 272 00:11:35.400 --> 00:11:38.160 So next year, we always go in February of every year, 273 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:40.860 we'll be going to Costa Rica and Panama, 274 00:11:40.860 --> 00:11:44.180 and those trips are open to you both as a student 275 00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:46.600 in the program, but also as an alum. 276 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.560 There's CME granting, of course. 277 00:11:48.560 --> 00:11:51.200 And so you can take advantage of that course anytime, 278 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.060 either as an enrolled student or as an alum of the program. 279 00:11:54.060 --> 00:11:57.940 We also go to D.C. and do an immersive study on healthcare 280 00:11:57.940 --> 00:12:02.940 policy, really looking at how the physician voice could better 281 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:05.960 be inserted in policy, because, again, remember, 282 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.100 we're focused on how do we leverage physician 283 00:12:09.100 --> 00:12:11.560 leadership to drive effective change in the industry. 284 00:12:11.560 --> 00:12:13.380 And so we're very much talking about that 285 00:12:13.380 --> 00:12:14.940 through healthcare policy. 286 00:12:14.940 --> 00:12:16.720 I mentioned our capstone already. 287 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.500 We do a career management and professional development course 288 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:21.700 as well that you can take that teaches 289 00:12:21.700 --> 00:12:24.620 you your resume, LinkedIn, executive recruiters, all 290 00:12:24.620 --> 00:12:25.420 of that. 291 00:12:25.420 --> 00:12:28.740 And then throughout, we offer you CME credits. 292 00:12:28.740 --> 00:12:31.140 You earn credits every quarter, which is just 293 00:12:31.140 --> 00:12:32.920 part of that efficiency piece. 294 00:12:32.920 --> 00:12:35.500 We recognize your time, but it also 295 00:12:35.500 --> 00:12:38.100 allows you to reroute your CME dollars to get reimbursed 296 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:39.650 for tuition in the program. 297 00:12:39.650 --> 00:12:41.150 And if you're in a private practice, 298 00:12:41.150 --> 00:12:43.250 obviously, you can realize the tax benefits 299 00:12:43.250 --> 00:12:46.810 around the CME credits as well. 300 00:12:46.810 --> 00:12:48.770 Here's a quote capturing everything 301 00:12:48.770 --> 00:12:52.130 that I just said from the alumni perspective. 302 00:12:52.130 --> 00:12:55.510 Dr. Sonal Desai, who graduated in 2022. 303 00:12:55.510 --> 00:12:58.570 Her quote here, "Everything we learned in the Physician MBA 304 00:12:58.570 --> 00:13:01.330 Program was an opportunity for immediate application 305 00:13:01.330 --> 00:13:02.610 at my work. 306 00:13:02.610 --> 00:13:04.650 The goal of the Physician MBA is to teach us 307 00:13:04.650 --> 00:13:06.590 how to use new skills and skill sets, 308 00:13:06.590 --> 00:13:08.150 and our goal is to apply them. 309 00:13:08.150 --> 00:13:11.250 The added value of attending a top-tier program is that you 310 00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:13.370 learn from professors and colleagues from diverse 311 00:13:13.370 --> 00:13:14.990 backgrounds, levels of leadership, 312 00:13:14.990 --> 00:13:18.450 and expertise who help you build your foundational business 313 00:13:18.450 --> 00:13:19.372 skills." 314 00:13:19.372 --> 00:13:20.830 So if you look at your screen here, 315 00:13:20.830 --> 00:13:22.470 there's a bit of an eye chart. 316 00:13:22.470 --> 00:13:24.450 This is the program of study that most of you 317 00:13:24.450 --> 00:13:26.490 have received in an email from me. 318 00:13:26.490 --> 00:13:29.470 Our program study basically breaks down our curriculum. 319 00:13:29.470 --> 00:13:31.330 So the way that it's organized is 320 00:13:31.330 --> 00:13:35.550 you take two classes at a time for 11 weeks at a time. 321 00:13:35.550 --> 00:13:36.550 We're on quarters. 322 00:13:36.550 --> 00:13:38.590 So you have seven quarters in the program that 323 00:13:38.590 --> 00:13:41.430 lasts 11 weeks each quarter, and you get a week long 324 00:13:41.430 --> 00:13:42.930 break in between each quarter. 325 00:13:42.930 --> 00:13:45.150 And in the summer, you get two weeks in 326 00:13:45.150 --> 00:13:48.230 between because that helps with family, vacation planning, 327 00:13:48.230 --> 00:13:48.953 and so forth. 328 00:13:48.953 --> 00:13:50.870 And you can see as you look at the screen here 329 00:13:50.870 --> 00:13:54.070 we have accounting paired with anatomy and physiology. 330 00:13:54.070 --> 00:13:56.450 We pair business analytics with marketing, 331 00:13:56.450 --> 00:13:59.050 so that left brain, right brain piece of things. 332 00:13:59.050 --> 00:14:02.590 And you'll also see in the gray bar, at the bottom of each table 333 00:14:02.590 --> 00:14:05.950 or each quarter is the in-person component. 334 00:14:05.950 --> 00:14:09.370 We're 70% online and 30% in person. 335 00:14:09.370 --> 00:14:11.450 Our in person is once every three months. 336 00:14:11.450 --> 00:14:15.030 You come here to Indianapolis for a three-day class session, 337 00:14:15.030 --> 00:14:17.510 that is Thursday, Friday, Saturday. 338 00:14:17.510 --> 00:14:19.730 And so those dates are already identified. 339 00:14:19.730 --> 00:14:21.690 We work years in advance with those dates. 340 00:14:21.690 --> 00:14:23.230 They never change. 341 00:14:23.230 --> 00:14:25.970 And so you can plan around those as well. 342 00:14:25.970 --> 00:14:29.530 And the weekends fall on the sixth week of class. 343 00:14:29.530 --> 00:14:32.170 So you go back to that physician learning style. 344 00:14:32.170 --> 00:14:36.380 You're spending that time online learning the new content. 345 00:14:36.380 --> 00:14:38.880 Then you come in-person, you apply that content, 346 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:40.960 and then you go back online to reflect it. 347 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.620 So we actually built our delivery model completely 348 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:48.100 around how physicians best learn. 349 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:52.340 You should expect to see an assignment most weeks, 350 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:57.260 whether that be an analysis, a reading 351 00:14:57.260 --> 00:15:00.840 assignment, online discussion, a team project. 352 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.860 There's typically something to do each week. 353 00:15:03.860 --> 00:15:07.732 But the faculty always stay two weeks ahead of you. 354 00:15:07.732 --> 00:15:10.440 So if you're somebody who's like on a week-on, week-off schedule, 355 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:11.780 you can actually just do most. 356 00:15:11.780 --> 00:15:14.693 The program on your week off and then just pay attention 357 00:15:14.693 --> 00:15:15.860 when you're on your week on. 358 00:15:15.860 --> 00:15:17.867 It still allows you to take vacations and go 359 00:15:17.867 --> 00:15:19.700 to conferences and so forth, the things that 360 00:15:19.700 --> 00:15:21.180 are important to you. 361 00:15:21.180 --> 00:15:24.400 Now, before I turn it over to Dr. Kalambo, 362 00:15:24.400 --> 00:15:27.000 here's just a few things to know about 363 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.640 what does a cohort typically look like in our program? 364 00:15:29.640 --> 00:15:31.380 And again, these are averages. 365 00:15:31.380 --> 00:15:34.855 So we'll have a full diversity of range, 366 00:15:34.855 --> 00:15:36.480 but we typically see a cohort somewhere 367 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.760 in the neighborhood of 40 physicians. 368 00:15:38.760 --> 00:15:41.740 This is actually from our most recent cohort. 369 00:15:41.740 --> 00:15:43.612 We'll see 20 different states represented. 370 00:15:43.612 --> 00:15:45.320 The majority of our physicians come to us 371 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.480 from outside of Indiana, so this is not a regional program 372 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:49.440 by any means. 373 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:52.000 Our average age is right around 45. 374 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.900 Average years of experience postresidency is about 15 years. 375 00:15:54.900 --> 00:15:57.960 And you'll see a very diverse group of specialties 376 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.960 within the cohort, typically ranging somewhere around 38, 377 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.700 37, somewhere in there. 378 00:16:03.700 --> 00:16:06.400 So if you're trying to put yourself in, 379 00:16:06.400 --> 00:16:07.780 what does this look like? 380 00:16:07.780 --> 00:16:10.080 That's some averages to get around. 381 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.020 A quote about that cohort. 382 00:16:12.020 --> 00:16:14.040 This is from Dr. Celanie Christensen who 383 00:16:14.040 --> 00:16:16.460 graduated last year as well. 384 00:16:16.460 --> 00:16:18.780 Here's a neurodevelopmental pediatrician. 385 00:16:18.780 --> 00:16:21.680 Her quote, "The major reason I chose the Kelley School was 386 00:16:21.680 --> 00:16:23.483 the in-person residencies. 387 00:16:23.483 --> 00:16:24.900 That's how you get to know people. 388 00:16:24.900 --> 00:16:26.900 You eat lunch together, you talk during breaks, 389 00:16:26.900 --> 00:16:29.920 and you learn about experiences different from yours. 390 00:16:29.920 --> 00:16:32.790 "My cohort includes phenomenal people who I'd never 391 00:16:32.790 --> 00:16:34.302 would have met otherwise. 392 00:16:34.302 --> 00:16:37.010 These people bring you a variety of backgrounds and perspectives. 393 00:16:37.010 --> 00:16:40.810 And every last one of us wants to fix medicine. 394 00:16:40.810 --> 00:16:43.630 And the Kelley Physician MBA gives us the tools to actually 395 00:16:43.630 --> 00:16:44.750 do it." 396 00:16:44.750 --> 00:16:47.510 Another quote about that peer-learning environment 397 00:16:47.510 --> 00:16:49.750 from Satchi Hiremath, who graduated 398 00:16:49.750 --> 00:16:52.910 in '23, who's a system VP. 399 00:16:52.910 --> 00:16:55.870 His quote, "The best part of the Physician MBA Program 400 00:16:55.870 --> 00:16:58.870 is working and learning alongside physician peers, which 401 00:16:58.870 --> 00:17:01.890 is missing in a fully online MBA program. 402 00:17:01.890 --> 00:17:04.510 Zoom cannot replace three-dimensional human 403 00:17:04.510 --> 00:17:06.109 interaction." 404 00:17:06.109 --> 00:17:09.170 So with that, a few more details before I turn it over, 405 00:17:09.170 --> 00:17:10.950 and I'd just like to always make sure, 406 00:17:10.950 --> 00:17:13.109 it helps to talk about the investment. 407 00:17:13.109 --> 00:17:15.109 And this is typically an investment, not just of 408 00:17:15.109 --> 00:17:16.770 your time but also your resources. 409 00:17:16.770 --> 00:17:20.089 So when we talk about cost, our cost is comprehensive. 410 00:17:20.089 --> 00:17:23.010 So include all your instruction, your technology, 411 00:17:23.010 --> 00:17:28.710 your student experiences, meals, snacks, networking events. 412 00:17:28.710 --> 00:17:30.430 Before you start the program, we do 413 00:17:30.430 --> 00:17:34.770 primers, now on Canvas, Excel, and AI, 414 00:17:34.770 --> 00:17:37.430 and how to leverage AI as a tool in the program. 415 00:17:37.430 --> 00:17:39.670 It also includes all your executive coaching, 416 00:17:39.670 --> 00:17:42.550 your career coaching, the webinar series, 417 00:17:42.550 --> 00:17:44.330 and all your CMEs. 418 00:17:44.330 --> 00:17:49.070 So our program cost is about 96,000 total for the 21 months. 419 00:17:49.070 --> 00:17:50.490 And then we do recommend budgeting 420 00:17:50.490 --> 00:17:53.410 for your travel expenses depending on your distance. 421 00:17:53.410 --> 00:17:55.330 Now, how do you pay for it? 422 00:17:55.330 --> 00:17:57.950 A lot of people leverage different payment plans. 423 00:17:57.950 --> 00:18:00.530 You can also look at financial aid 424 00:18:00.530 --> 00:18:03.550 as a way to finance the cost of the program. 425 00:18:03.550 --> 00:18:06.350 Payments don't begin until six months after graduation, 426 00:18:06.350 --> 00:18:08.410 so that gives you a lot of flexibility. 427 00:18:08.410 --> 00:18:12.090 We do offer scholarships that help defray your travel costs, 428 00:18:12.090 --> 00:18:14.487 so you can see those on our website. 429 00:18:14.487 --> 00:18:16.570 And then we encourage you to talk to your employer 430 00:18:16.570 --> 00:18:19.030 about being a partner with you on this program. 431 00:18:19.030 --> 00:18:21.250 And in fact, we give you bullets on our website 432 00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:23.110 of how you can make that ask. 433 00:18:23.110 --> 00:18:25.390 And then also, since we're giving CMEs each quarter, 434 00:18:25.390 --> 00:18:27.930 you can reroute your CME funds to get reimbursed 435 00:18:27.930 --> 00:18:31.700 for the tuition in the program, which every little bit can help. 436 00:18:31.700 --> 00:18:34.640 But you definitely also want to talk to your HR office. 437 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.920 Every organization typically has some tuition benefit 438 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.740 that they offer all employees. 439 00:18:39.740 --> 00:18:42.740 It's typically around $5,000 a year. 440 00:18:42.740 --> 00:18:44.840 And so you also can leverage that to help 441 00:18:44.840 --> 00:18:45.820 pay for the program. 442 00:18:45.820 --> 00:18:49.600 And we can help you with that if you have any questions about how 443 00:18:49.600 --> 00:18:51.000 to make the most of that. 444 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.840 Additionally, we are still accepting 445 00:18:52.840 --> 00:18:54.540 applications for this fall. 446 00:18:54.540 --> 00:18:57.000 We still have spaces available. 447 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.560 Our application process is very streamlined 448 00:18:59.560 --> 00:19:02.160 because it's an MD/DO required. 449 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.440 There are no standardized exams. 450 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.920 It simply provide the form, the fee, the medical school 451 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.473 transcript, your CV, a personal statement, three people 452 00:19:11.473 --> 00:19:13.640 that can recommend you, and then we do an interview, 453 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:14.900 and all of that is complete. 454 00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:17.500 So it's a very straightforward application process. 455 00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:20.920 We're accepting applications until July 1 or the cohort 456 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:22.780 is filled, whichever one comes first, 457 00:19:22.780 --> 00:19:25.080 which we do cap our classes at 45. 458 00:19:25.080 --> 00:19:27.460 So if you're thinking about applying for this fall, 459 00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:31.160 you want to move swiftly as we are filling. 460 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:36.780 Our last cohort was 44, so we typically get close to that cap. 461 00:19:36.780 --> 00:19:39.240 A last quote before I turn it over to Megan. 462 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:44.580 This is from Catherine Moya, who is a CMO at an FQHC in Florida, 463 00:19:44.580 --> 00:19:45.800 who graduated in '23. 464 00:19:45.800 --> 00:19:50.000 Her quote, "It was the best decision I made to go for it. 465 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.760 And the return on my investment is significant. 466 00:19:52.760 --> 00:19:54.240 If you're serious about leadership, 467 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.940 having the Physician MBA from the Kelley School of Business 468 00:19:56.940 --> 00:19:59.260 will open a lot of doors." 469 00:19:59.260 --> 00:20:01.060 So with that, I'd like to turn it 470 00:20:01.060 --> 00:20:04.020 to Dr. Megan Kalambo who just graduated 471 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:06.700 from the program on Saturday-- congratulations-- 472 00:20:06.700 --> 00:20:09.980 who's going to share a little bit more about her experience 473 00:20:09.980 --> 00:20:11.017 in the program. 474 00:20:11.017 --> 00:20:12.600 Thank you, Megan, for your time today. 475 00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:14.052 We really are grateful for you. 476 00:20:14.052 --> 00:20:15.760 MEGAN KALAMBO: Well, thank you, Susannah. 477 00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:17.220 My name is Megan Kalambo. 478 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:20.680 I'm a breast imaging radiologist at MD Anderson, a cancer center 479 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:22.020 here in Houston. 480 00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:24.020 I serve as clinical medical director 481 00:20:24.020 --> 00:20:26.790 at our breast imaging Houston-area locations, 482 00:20:26.790 --> 00:20:30.570 and also as faculty co-director of MD Anderson's Leadership 483 00:20:30.570 --> 00:20:31.690 Institute. 484 00:20:31.690 --> 00:20:35.290 And as Susannah said, I recently graduated Kelley's program. 485 00:20:35.290 --> 00:20:37.830 Literally last Saturday, so the ink is still wet. 486 00:20:37.830 --> 00:20:39.570 But what I really wanted to do today 487 00:20:39.570 --> 00:20:42.930 is share an honest reflection on what this experience 488 00:20:42.930 --> 00:20:46.090 has meant to me professionally, personally, and as a leader. 489 00:20:46.090 --> 00:20:47.930 And for me, this journey was never really 490 00:20:47.930 --> 00:20:49.590 about adding the letters to my name, 491 00:20:49.590 --> 00:20:52.290 but it was about learning how to think differently, 492 00:20:52.290 --> 00:20:54.890 how to lead more intentionally, and to better navigate 493 00:20:54.890 --> 00:20:57.330 the increasingly complex systems and teams that we 494 00:20:57.330 --> 00:20:59.810 see in healthcare. 495 00:20:59.810 --> 00:21:01.950 So at the time I entered this program, 496 00:21:01.950 --> 00:21:05.730 I was already well established clinically, about 15 years out 497 00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:08.410 from residency, and had already stepped 498 00:21:08.410 --> 00:21:11.650 into a larger operational leadership opportunity. 499 00:21:11.650 --> 00:21:13.850 What I started to quickly realize 500 00:21:13.850 --> 00:21:16.370 was that many of those challenges I was facing 501 00:21:16.370 --> 00:21:18.810 were not purely clinical problems, 502 00:21:18.810 --> 00:21:21.950 they were actually system problems, people problems, 503 00:21:21.950 --> 00:21:23.230 communication problems. 504 00:21:23.230 --> 00:21:26.200 And so I found myself increasingly 505 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.980 interested in area like organizational behavior, 506 00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:31.680 finance, change management, and strategy, 507 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.560 topics that we don't traditionally 508 00:21:33.560 --> 00:21:36.680 receive extensive training in as physicians. 509 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.320 And honestly, it really felt a lot 510 00:21:38.320 --> 00:21:40.420 like an intellectual curiosity, too. 511 00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:43.080 I wanted to grow, and the MBA became 512 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:46.400 a very intentional investment in my long-term leadership 513 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:48.120 development. 514 00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:50.440 So why did I choose Kelley? 515 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.840 What drew me specifically to Kelley 516 00:21:52.840 --> 00:21:55.360 was how practical and physician-centered the program 517 00:21:55.360 --> 00:22:00.200 felt. I did a lot of research on the MBA search, lots of programs 518 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:01.040 out there. 519 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:04.120 But Kelley's structure worked incredibly well for someone 520 00:22:04.120 --> 00:22:06.760 like me who was needing to balance a full clinical 521 00:22:06.760 --> 00:22:08.880 and leadership workload. 522 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.680 I never felt like I had to step away from my career 523 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:13.840 in order to invest in my growth. 524 00:22:13.840 --> 00:22:17.920 And what I appreciated most was how immediately applicable 525 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:19.360 the coursework was. 526 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:22.240 There were countless moments where I would learn something 527 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.220 in class and then find myself applying it 528 00:22:24.220 --> 00:22:27.300 in meetings, operational discussions, or leadership 529 00:22:27.300 --> 00:22:30.220 conversations, almost immediately afterwards. 530 00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:32.660 I also really valued the breadth of the experiences 531 00:22:32.660 --> 00:22:36.060 beyond the classroom, including our global healthcare 532 00:22:36.060 --> 00:22:36.800 experience. 533 00:22:36.800 --> 00:22:40.485 I had an opportunity to go to Portugal and Spain in 2025, 534 00:22:40.485 --> 00:22:41.860 and they also have an opportunity 535 00:22:41.860 --> 00:22:46.160 to do our D.C. healthcare policy course, which was incredible, 536 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:48.780 in October of last year, and it all really 537 00:22:48.780 --> 00:22:51.300 has helped broaden how I think about healthcare leadership 538 00:22:51.300 --> 00:22:52.340 overall. 539 00:22:52.340 --> 00:22:55.100 Ultimately, the cohort really became 540 00:22:55.100 --> 00:22:57.820 one of the most valuable parts of this experience 541 00:22:57.820 --> 00:23:01.620 because we learn just as much from the people around us 542 00:23:01.620 --> 00:23:06.140 as we do from the coursework itself. 543 00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:07.900 So just to double click on that, this 544 00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:09.500 has been-- the cohort has been one 545 00:23:09.500 --> 00:23:11.760 of the most meaningful aspects of this program, 546 00:23:11.760 --> 00:23:14.180 learning alongside physicians from an incredibly 547 00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:18.340 diverse specialty background and leadership environment 548 00:23:18.340 --> 00:23:19.540 background. 549 00:23:19.540 --> 00:23:23.790 You quickly realize that whether someone's in radiology, surgery, 550 00:23:23.790 --> 00:23:26.450 emergency medicine, many of the leadership challenges 551 00:23:26.450 --> 00:23:28.530 are actually very similar. 552 00:23:28.530 --> 00:23:30.930 There's a lot of peer coaching that happens, 553 00:23:30.930 --> 00:23:33.930 accountability and honest conversation. 554 00:23:33.930 --> 00:23:38.930 And I think there's something really powerful about being 555 00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:41.970 in an environment where highly accomplished people are also 556 00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:43.770 willing to be vulnerable and admit they 557 00:23:43.770 --> 00:23:45.650 don't have all the answers. 558 00:23:45.650 --> 00:23:47.570 Some of my greatest growth really 559 00:23:47.570 --> 00:23:50.570 came from hearing perspectives that were completely different 560 00:23:50.570 --> 00:23:51.890 from my own. 561 00:23:51.890 --> 00:23:54.290 And that diversity of thought has really 562 00:23:54.290 --> 00:23:56.090 strengthens how we think. 563 00:23:56.090 --> 00:24:01.370 And so I believe that we grow because of the people around us. 564 00:24:01.370 --> 00:24:04.410 So if I had to summarize the areas within that 565 00:24:04.410 --> 00:24:06.550 were highest return on investment for me, 566 00:24:06.550 --> 00:24:09.030 I would say, finance, operations, 567 00:24:09.030 --> 00:24:12.770 organizational behavior is the hard skills, and then 568 00:24:12.770 --> 00:24:16.970 negotiation and emotional intelligence as the soft skills. 569 00:24:16.970 --> 00:24:20.950 The Kelley MBA really gave me the language and frameworks 570 00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:24.630 for challenges that I was already encountering every day. 571 00:24:24.630 --> 00:24:26.270 The finance and accounting really 572 00:24:26.270 --> 00:24:30.230 helped me better understand organizational decision-making, 573 00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:33.030 operations and systems thinking, how 574 00:24:33.030 --> 00:24:36.450 I approach workflow design, scalability, 575 00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:38.070 and resource utilization. 576 00:24:38.070 --> 00:24:40.990 And honestly, the emotional intelligence and communication 577 00:24:40.990 --> 00:24:43.670 adaptability were probably some of the most impactful lessons 578 00:24:43.670 --> 00:24:45.510 overall. 579 00:24:45.510 --> 00:24:48.110 The program really increased my confidence 580 00:24:48.110 --> 00:24:50.390 in executive-level conversations. 581 00:24:50.390 --> 00:24:53.490 It also helped me better understand how people, systems, 582 00:24:53.490 --> 00:24:58.950 and incentives impact and interact with one another. 583 00:24:58.950 --> 00:25:01.630 So how did the MBA change me as a leader? 584 00:25:01.630 --> 00:25:04.350 I would think the biggest transformation was becoming 585 00:25:04.350 --> 00:25:05.910 a more intentional leader. 586 00:25:05.910 --> 00:25:08.230 I became more comfortable navigating 587 00:25:08.230 --> 00:25:12.190 ambiguity and organizational complexity. 588 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:16.510 I also learned that leadership is much less about authority 589 00:25:16.510 --> 00:25:20.180 and more about influence, communication, and alignment. 590 00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:22.660 And Kelley does an exceptional job 591 00:25:22.660 --> 00:25:25.900 of connecting strategy to operations 592 00:25:25.900 --> 00:25:28.460 and better understanding how to bring people along 593 00:25:28.460 --> 00:25:29.700 through change. 594 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.780 So it also reinforces the importance 595 00:25:31.780 --> 00:25:35.860 of adapting communication styles depending on your audience. 596 00:25:35.860 --> 00:25:38.100 And at the end of the day, realizing that leadership 597 00:25:38.100 --> 00:25:42.260 is really deeply relational. 598 00:25:42.260 --> 00:25:44.100 So one of the things I appreciated most 599 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:47.100 was that the MBA never felt theoretical. 600 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:50.100 I was constantly applying these concepts directly back 601 00:25:50.100 --> 00:25:52.380 into my work at MD Anderson. 602 00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:55.780 Whether it was scaling programs, breast imaging centers 603 00:25:55.780 --> 00:26:00.180 in the community, or workforce planning, financial stewardship, 604 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.700 those frameworks became immediately useful. 605 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:04.780 And even my capstone project focused 606 00:26:04.780 --> 00:26:07.540 on designing a scalable enterprise remote coverage 607 00:26:07.540 --> 00:26:10.580 model for a multisite breast imaging network. 608 00:26:10.580 --> 00:26:12.620 And it really just reinforced the importance 609 00:26:12.620 --> 00:26:15.100 of systems thinking in healthcare leadership. 610 00:26:15.100 --> 00:26:16.680 So this program overall has really 611 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.120 helped me approach problems that are more strategic 612 00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:20.980 as well as a systematic framework 613 00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:22.360 rather than just reacting-- 614 00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:25.760 than being reactive about it. 615 00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:28.465 So the unseen returns on the MBA investment, 616 00:26:28.465 --> 00:26:29.840 I just want to quickly highlight. 617 00:26:29.840 --> 00:26:32.520 Above the waterline, you're thinking 618 00:26:32.520 --> 00:26:35.060 of strategic frameworks, financial literacy, 619 00:26:35.060 --> 00:26:36.520 operational tools. 620 00:26:36.520 --> 00:26:39.700 But underneath, there's immense personal growth. 621 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:41.400 You realize the importance of being 622 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.920 vulnerable in executive spaces. 623 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.940 How the leadership principles can apply across industries? 624 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:51.160 We have a lot of great problem-based and case-based 625 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:54.600 examples that are directly transferable to the healthcare 626 00:26:54.600 --> 00:26:56.600 environments, of complex healthcare environments 627 00:26:56.600 --> 00:26:58.040 that we face. 628 00:26:58.040 --> 00:27:00.880 And then, you also really need to value power 629 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.840 of diverse perspectives. 630 00:27:02.840 --> 00:27:05.140 And then, the relationships and the mentorship, 631 00:27:05.140 --> 00:27:06.560 as well as the executive coaching 632 00:27:06.560 --> 00:27:11.200 piece that are just foundational to this program. 633 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.500 So what would I tell a future Kelley MBA student? 634 00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:18.690 My biggest advice would be don't wait until you feel quote 635 00:27:18.690 --> 00:27:19.830 unquote "ready". 636 00:27:19.830 --> 00:27:22.830 Growth often comes through discomfort. 637 00:27:22.830 --> 00:27:27.330 So I was committed to engaging deeply with this program, 638 00:27:27.330 --> 00:27:29.030 with this cohort. 639 00:27:29.030 --> 00:27:30.990 I wanted to stay curious. 640 00:27:30.990 --> 00:27:34.670 I asked questions, and I was really in a position 641 00:27:34.670 --> 00:27:36.970 where I was willing to challenge my own assumptions. 642 00:27:36.970 --> 00:27:38.870 And I think that is just such a powerful tool 643 00:27:38.870 --> 00:27:41.470 to use in this space. 644 00:27:41.470 --> 00:27:44.150 And also understand that the return on investment 645 00:27:44.150 --> 00:27:47.230 really comes and compounds over time. 646 00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:50.650 So some of the greatest value comes from those relationships. 647 00:27:50.650 --> 00:27:51.950 The mindset shifts. 648 00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:54.390 The confidence that you're actually building gradually 649 00:27:54.390 --> 00:27:56.270 throughout the experience. 650 00:27:56.270 --> 00:27:58.550 And you truly will not leave this program 651 00:27:58.550 --> 00:28:00.010 as the same physician leader. 652 00:28:00.010 --> 00:28:02.670 653 00:28:02.670 --> 00:28:04.190 At the end of the day, leadership 654 00:28:04.190 --> 00:28:05.630 is really about people. 655 00:28:05.630 --> 00:28:08.150 It's how we inspire, encourage, and support 656 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:10.950 others around a shared mission. 657 00:28:10.950 --> 00:28:14.310 I am incredibly grateful for this experience, 658 00:28:14.310 --> 00:28:17.250 the relationships and the opportunity 659 00:28:17.250 --> 00:28:21.130 to continue learning and growing alongside such remarkable 660 00:28:21.130 --> 00:28:21.870 colleagues. 661 00:28:21.870 --> 00:28:24.930 And so I just want to thank you all so much, 662 00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:27.230 and I'm happy to answer any questions. 663 00:28:27.230 --> 00:28:30.210 664 00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:34.170 SUSANNAH EASTWICK: So for those of you who are watching, 665 00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:35.670 hand us questions. 666 00:28:35.670 --> 00:28:37.850 What questions can we answer for you? 667 00:28:37.850 --> 00:28:40.130 Across the bottom of your screen, 668 00:28:40.130 --> 00:28:46.350 you'll see either the Q&A button or the chat button. 669 00:28:46.350 --> 00:28:50.930 Either one of those are the best way to show-- 670 00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:53.690 ask any questions that you might have. 671 00:28:53.690 --> 00:28:56.510 You can ask Megan questions about-- in our program, 672 00:28:56.510 --> 00:28:59.410 everybody has a title between our faculty and our students. 673 00:28:59.410 --> 00:29:02.910 So to create a community of peers and learners, 674 00:29:02.910 --> 00:29:04.827 we're on a first-name basis only, 675 00:29:04.827 --> 00:29:06.410 which is fun because at graduation I'm 676 00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:08.950 like, how do you say your last name, because I never say it? 677 00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:11.090 But that's how our program works in terms 678 00:29:11.090 --> 00:29:12.820 of developing that community. 679 00:29:12.820 --> 00:29:15.760 So ask questions about how you-- everything 680 00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:17.640 that you want to know. 681 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.000 So Megan, a question here from Dr. Prentice. 682 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.880 What is the leadership residency that's 683 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.300 listed on the academic year calendar? 684 00:29:26.300 --> 00:29:29.160 Talk about your experience in the [INAUDIBLE] leadership 685 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.160 residency. 686 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.040 MEGAN KALAMBO: Yeah, so am I correct 687 00:29:32.040 --> 00:29:34.500 was with the first cohort that did this. 688 00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:38.580 So before the grind of the classwork begins, 689 00:29:38.580 --> 00:29:43.440 we have a dedicated week in August, in Indiana. 690 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.500 An opportunity for us to meet our whole group, 691 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:48.320 our entire cohort. 692 00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:52.060 The week is packed with all kinds of learning. 693 00:29:52.060 --> 00:29:53.718 One of the highlights was, of course, 694 00:29:53.718 --> 00:29:55.260 we do this thing called the pit crew, 695 00:29:55.260 --> 00:30:00.200 where we actually go to the Indianapolis racetrack area 696 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.560 and learn how to change tires as a team, which I never 697 00:30:03.560 --> 00:30:05.980 thought I would ever experience that before. 698 00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:08.680 But the learnings that came out of that from a leadership 699 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:14.180 perspective were incredible and applied across the spectrum 700 00:30:14.180 --> 00:30:16.660 throughout the course of my MBA. 701 00:30:16.660 --> 00:30:19.420 We have a number of course offerings 702 00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:21.700 throughout that week with some assignments that 703 00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:22.685 are due as well. 704 00:30:22.685 --> 00:30:25.060 But really, I felt that it was a great opportunity for us 705 00:30:25.060 --> 00:30:26.980 to connect with our cohort. 706 00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:28.980 We'll be sitting in a classroom with and getting 707 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:33.020 to know the next 21 months and really beginning 708 00:30:33.020 --> 00:30:37.020 to build a framework for the MBA program. 709 00:30:37.020 --> 00:30:39.285 So key component of the program. 710 00:30:39.285 --> 00:30:40.660 SUSANNAH EASTWICK: Yeah, and it's 711 00:30:40.660 --> 00:30:42.880 funny because I didn't have it in my slides there. 712 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.280 And it's one of the highlights that starts the whole program. 713 00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:46.780 So I'll go back and update my slides 714 00:30:46.780 --> 00:30:47.988 to make sure that's in there. 715 00:30:47.988 --> 00:30:50.660 But it's really-- at the end of that week is actually 716 00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:53.100 when you get paired with your executive coach, 717 00:30:53.100 --> 00:30:55.520 you take a personality assessment, the Hogan, 718 00:30:55.520 --> 00:30:57.180 which then we give you the opportunity 719 00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:59.640 to do 360 with as well. 720 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.140 And so it's the kickoff to the entire program, 721 00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:05.100 centers you and creates that framework. 722 00:31:05.100 --> 00:31:06.740 You said it so well there, Megan. 723 00:31:06.740 --> 00:31:09.230 And if you're looking at your schedule and you're like, 724 00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:11.190 OK, I can't make that work this year, 725 00:31:11.190 --> 00:31:13.210 we actually, you can do it in your first year 726 00:31:13.210 --> 00:31:14.230 or your second year. 727 00:31:14.230 --> 00:31:15.430 It's preferred in your first year, 728 00:31:15.430 --> 00:31:17.138 but if you've got a conflict this August, 729 00:31:17.138 --> 00:31:19.610 we can always flip it to the second year if need be. 730 00:31:19.610 --> 00:31:23.570 So there's lots-- again, we're very flexible around physician 731 00:31:23.570 --> 00:31:24.390 success. 732 00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:26.230 And so there's that piece. 733 00:31:26.230 --> 00:31:28.170 And I think we had the key learning 734 00:31:28.170 --> 00:31:31.910 moments of the graduating course cohort as they cross the stage. 735 00:31:31.910 --> 00:31:33.570 And so many people listed that week 736 00:31:33.570 --> 00:31:35.610 as one of the highlights of the program. 737 00:31:35.610 --> 00:31:37.330 Other questions, if you're not seeing it 738 00:31:37.330 --> 00:31:39.210 across the bottom of your screen, 739 00:31:39.210 --> 00:31:43.550 there's a Q&A button that you can use to ask us questions. 740 00:31:43.550 --> 00:31:45.050 You can also use the chat function 741 00:31:45.050 --> 00:31:46.670 to ask us questions as well. 742 00:31:46.670 --> 00:31:51.130 So Megan, a great question from Dr. Russell, which is one that-- 743 00:31:51.130 --> 00:31:52.570 it's the biggest question. 744 00:31:52.570 --> 00:31:56.230 You can be as successful as possible with everything. 745 00:31:56.230 --> 00:31:59.530 But time isn't always your friend, right. 746 00:31:59.530 --> 00:32:03.370 So how did you find the budgeting of time 747 00:32:03.370 --> 00:32:06.730 to work with a heavy week of clinical work, 748 00:32:06.730 --> 00:32:10.070 how did you get your assignments done, your class participation? 749 00:32:10.070 --> 00:32:12.837 Tell us how you did-- how did you manage your time? 750 00:32:12.837 --> 00:32:13.670 MEGAN KALAMBO: Yeah. 751 00:32:13.670 --> 00:32:14.310 That's great. 752 00:32:14.310 --> 00:32:16.770 I'm definitely a planner. 753 00:32:16.770 --> 00:32:19.710 So it's-- so the great thing, beginning of each 754 00:32:19.710 --> 00:32:22.830 of the quarters, you're given a syllabus. 755 00:32:22.830 --> 00:32:26.110 The beautiful thing is that we do have coursework lectures 756 00:32:26.110 --> 00:32:28.330 on Zoom on a weekly basis. 757 00:32:28.330 --> 00:32:29.950 They're all recorded. 758 00:32:29.950 --> 00:32:34.450 So if for instance, I missed a Tuesday evening lecture, 759 00:32:34.450 --> 00:32:40.190 I could go in Canvas, download it, watch it on my own pace. 760 00:32:40.190 --> 00:32:41.390 So that was helpful. 761 00:32:41.390 --> 00:32:44.290 And then, I really just wanted to prioritize this. 762 00:32:44.290 --> 00:32:46.470 So I think when we prioritize things, 763 00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:48.450 we end up finding time to do them. 764 00:32:48.450 --> 00:32:51.730 I have a very busy life even outside of clinical work. 765 00:32:51.730 --> 00:32:56.090 I have children, a husband, that keeps us keeps me busy too. 766 00:32:56.090 --> 00:32:58.430 So I think really just structuring 767 00:32:58.430 --> 00:33:00.630 the time in that way, love the fact too 768 00:33:00.630 --> 00:33:04.980 that they give you the entire 21 month, all the dates, 769 00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:08.420 so at my place of employment, we can actually put 770 00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:10.380 a request for up to a year out. 771 00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:14.660 So I just kind of flagged and put in the request for leave, 772 00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:18.180 and for travel leave on those dates that worked. 773 00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:21.320 And then there, as Susannah explained, 774 00:33:21.320 --> 00:33:23.960 our courses there's left brain, right brain, 775 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.120 they're paired together. 776 00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:29.000 So some courses do require a good amount of intensive, 777 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.100 kind of time-consuming effort, but they're typically 778 00:33:32.100 --> 00:33:34.300 paired with something that's just a little bit less 779 00:33:34.300 --> 00:33:35.080 intensive. 780 00:33:35.080 --> 00:33:38.860 So over the course of the 21 months, I think all of us 781 00:33:38.860 --> 00:33:42.650 got through it and figured out how best to balance it, so-- 782 00:33:42.650 --> 00:33:44.900 SUSANNAH EASTWICK: It is one of the biggest challenges 783 00:33:44.900 --> 00:33:48.420 is every physician in our room is incredibly smart 784 00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:49.840 and knows how to learn. 785 00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:51.340 It's about prioritizing time. 786 00:33:51.340 --> 00:33:53.243 And some of the things I recommend doing-- 787 00:33:53.243 --> 00:33:54.660 I mean, our faculty will typically 788 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:57.343 release the entire course at the beginning of the class. 789 00:33:57.343 --> 00:33:58.760 So if you're a planner like Megan, 790 00:33:58.760 --> 00:34:00.300 you can go on your schedule and be 791 00:34:00.300 --> 00:34:02.800 like, OK, this is when a major assignments due, 792 00:34:02.800 --> 00:34:04.360 this is when a major project's due, 793 00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:06.880 and then organize around them. 794 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.880 Now, you can't always organize your clinical look workload 795 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:10.960 accordingly. 796 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.719 But my recommendation is always to look at your schedule 797 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.679 and say, where are chunks of time? 798 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.060 Identify chunks of time that you can carve out and say, 799 00:34:21.060 --> 00:34:23.960 this is my dedicated time that I'm investing in myself 800 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:25.120 for this program. 801 00:34:25.120 --> 00:34:26.699 And then, if you protect that time, 802 00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:29.760 that tends to get you the results that you're looking for. 803 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.100 Because education, we all know, it's a symbiotic relationship. 804 00:34:33.100 --> 00:34:35.290 So the more you put in, the more you get out. 805 00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:37.040 And you don't want to make this investment 806 00:34:37.040 --> 00:34:38.719 without being able to get out of it what 807 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.020 you're hoping to get out of it. 808 00:34:40.020 --> 00:34:42.560 And so we're going to give you the format and the best 809 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:47.080 of our ability to be efficient, effective, flexible, et cetera, 810 00:34:47.080 --> 00:34:48.820 and as planful as possible. 811 00:34:48.820 --> 00:34:51.360 We can tell you our international dates 812 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.880 for years to come, so that you can 813 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.760 plan all your international trips with us so we 814 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.840 will help do everything we can to help you plan for that. 815 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.530 You can use that Q&A function at the bottom of your screen, 816 00:35:02.530 --> 00:35:04.990 you can use the chat functionality 817 00:35:04.990 --> 00:35:06.370 whichever one you'd like. 818 00:35:06.370 --> 00:35:09.570 Megan, you already got asked a question that I always ask, 819 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:13.410 so I'll ask a follow up in terms of how do you see-- 820 00:35:13.410 --> 00:35:15.330 I mean, you're recently graduated, 821 00:35:15.330 --> 00:35:17.730 but how do you see from your vantage point, 822 00:35:17.730 --> 00:35:21.410 the alumni network being a benefit to you? 823 00:35:21.410 --> 00:35:23.950 You've now made these relationships 824 00:35:23.950 --> 00:35:25.450 within the classroom. 825 00:35:25.450 --> 00:35:27.430 How do you see those relationships continuing 826 00:35:27.430 --> 00:35:30.048 to pay dividends over time? 827 00:35:30.048 --> 00:35:32.090 MEGAN KALAMBO: Yeah, that's a wonderful question. 828 00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:35.330 And I meant to double click on that, and in my presentation. 829 00:35:35.330 --> 00:35:38.630 So gosh, you get introduced to the Kelley network 830 00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:40.310 during leadership week. 831 00:35:40.310 --> 00:35:44.150 We are meeting physician leaders across the domain. 832 00:35:44.150 --> 00:35:46.110 Kelley has been around for-- 833 00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:48.590 this program is running for over a decade. 834 00:35:48.590 --> 00:35:51.470 So the alumni network is fantastic. 835 00:35:51.470 --> 00:35:54.430 The global healthcare experience, alumni travel 836 00:35:54.430 --> 00:35:57.190 on that graduated 10 years ago. 837 00:35:57.190 --> 00:36:00.610 So you really have dedicated time 838 00:36:00.610 --> 00:36:04.130 to really invest and connect with physician 839 00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:06.370 leaders across the US. 840 00:36:06.370 --> 00:36:08.250 And then they also come to our-- some of them 841 00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:12.090 teach some of our courses or serve on a panel in that space. 842 00:36:12.090 --> 00:36:15.190 But Susannah is also a very good connector of people. 843 00:36:15.190 --> 00:36:17.410 So if there's a specific interest 844 00:36:17.410 --> 00:36:20.370 or if you want to understand who else in your organization 845 00:36:20.370 --> 00:36:23.850 or state that you're living in has gone through Kelley 846 00:36:23.850 --> 00:36:26.590 and is a physician leader, it's an open door. 847 00:36:26.590 --> 00:36:28.958 I think those-- if the relationship is set, 848 00:36:28.958 --> 00:36:31.250 and it's an opportunity for us to connect in that place 849 00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:31.985 as well. 850 00:36:31.985 --> 00:36:33.610 SUSANNAH EASTWICK: Yeah, and we provide 851 00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:36.250 a lot of ways in which you can stay 852 00:36:36.250 --> 00:36:40.190 engaged as an alum with the program, with each other, 853 00:36:40.190 --> 00:36:41.650 with other alumni. 854 00:36:41.650 --> 00:36:44.670 And then we also plug into the larger Kelley alumni network, 855 00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:46.610 the Kelley School, primarily because 856 00:36:46.610 --> 00:36:48.590 of the strength of our online MBA program, 857 00:36:48.590 --> 00:36:52.650 has the single largest living alumni 858 00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:54.650 network of any business school. 859 00:36:54.650 --> 00:36:56.410 So all you have to do is say, hey, I'm 860 00:36:56.410 --> 00:36:58.480 looking for somebody who works at GE, 861 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:03.760 and we can give you a list, a big, long list of every Kelley 862 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:05.020 alum that works there. 863 00:37:05.020 --> 00:37:07.960 And let me tell you, when IU won a football game earlier 864 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.840 this year, for the first time in our history 865 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.500 ever, when they won a little game, 866 00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.120 I saw so many alums that I hadn't seen before who were just 867 00:37:14.120 --> 00:37:18.020 so proud to see that trident anywhere in the world, 868 00:37:18.020 --> 00:37:20.680 and they sort of came out of everywhere and especially Kelley 869 00:37:20.680 --> 00:37:21.220 alums. 870 00:37:21.220 --> 00:37:23.860 So with the few remaining time we have left, 871 00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:26.500 I want to make sure any questions you might have, 872 00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:28.560 there's a Q&A button at the bottom 873 00:37:28.560 --> 00:37:30.580 that you can also ask a question in chat. 874 00:37:30.580 --> 00:37:34.180 So on that note, any last closing thoughts? 875 00:37:34.180 --> 00:37:35.960 You gave a bit of advice there, but if you 876 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:40.040 had to say what are the three takeaways that this program 877 00:37:40.040 --> 00:37:42.440 really changed who you are, where 878 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.440 you're going with any closing of advice 879 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.480 you might have before we close today? 880 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:50.820 MEGAN KALAMBO: Yeah, no regrets. 881 00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:53.220 I'm so glad that I did this when I did it. 882 00:37:53.220 --> 00:37:54.850 Wish I would have done it earlier. 883 00:37:54.850 --> 00:37:56.100 Yeah, it's really been a gift. 884 00:37:56.100 --> 00:37:58.340 I've learned so much, and you're really 885 00:37:58.340 --> 00:38:01.420 investing in your own personal and professional development. 886 00:38:01.420 --> 00:38:07.045 Oftentimes, we're always helping others, like we're facing, 887 00:38:07.045 --> 00:38:08.420 and this really was an investment 888 00:38:08.420 --> 00:38:10.940 in my professional growth. 889 00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:12.900 Gosh, it's an incredible program. 890 00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:17.860 And I just hope all y'all would consider joining this incredible 891 00:38:17.860 --> 00:38:20.832 program and Kelley network. 892 00:38:20.832 --> 00:38:22.040 SUSANNAH EASTWICK: Thank you. 893 00:38:22.040 --> 00:38:24.580 And Megan, I can't thank you enough for spending time 894 00:38:24.580 --> 00:38:25.400 with us today. 895 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.820 I appreciate you giving it to us and sharing it 896 00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:30.260 with the prospective physicians who are on the call 897 00:38:30.260 --> 00:38:32.200 or watching the recording as well. 898 00:38:32.200 --> 00:38:33.525 So thank you, thank you. 899 00:38:33.525 --> 00:38:34.900 And to the rest of you, thank you 900 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:36.740 for spending time with us today learning 901 00:38:36.740 --> 00:38:38.280 about the Kelley Physician MBA. 902 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.900 We are hopeful that this is the start of our conversation 903 00:38:41.900 --> 00:38:43.940 together and that we will have many, many more 904 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:45.160 conversations to go. 905 00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:46.900 So thank you all for being here today. 906 00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:49.290 We will talk again soon. 907 00:38:49.290 --> 00:38:56.000