Lead with clarity. Decide with confidence.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.445 --> 00:00:03.345 Hi, happy Tuesday. 2 00:00:04.045 --> 00:00:05.185 I'm Carolyn Goerner, 3 00:00:05.205 --> 00:00:07.065 and I'm delighted that you've joined us 4 00:00:07.125 --> 00:00:08.225 for this webinar today. 5 00:00:09.025 --> 00:00:12.185 I am not just a management professor here at the Kelley 6 00:00:12.185 --> 00:00:14.665 School, but I am also the faculty director 7 00:00:14.725 --> 00:00:16.905 for Kelley Executive Education Programs. 8 00:00:17.465 --> 00:00:19.785 I know that many of you probably went 9 00:00:19.785 --> 00:00:20.865 through the Kelley School, 10 00:00:21.385 --> 00:00:23.305 I might even have had you in I-Core, 11 00:00:23.965 --> 00:00:27.105 but are now as working professionals, looking for ways 12 00:00:27.135 --> 00:00:29.425 that you can continue to learn from Kelley, 13 00:00:29.765 --> 00:00:32.585 and that's where executive education comes in. 14 00:00:33.285 --> 00:00:37.545 We are excited to announce a new program for 2026 15 00:00:37.975 --> 00:00:40.465 that we believe will help you take your 16 00:00:40.465 --> 00:00:42.105 leadership into the future. 17 00:00:43.845 --> 00:00:46.745 AI is shaping how leaders work, how they think, 18 00:00:47.125 --> 00:00:51.505 how they make decisions, but our goal is not about making 19 00:00:51.525 --> 00:00:52.865 you a tech expert. 20 00:00:53.895 --> 00:00:57.865 What we strive to do in this series is to help you use AI 21 00:00:58.125 --> 00:01:00.185 to be a more effective leader. 22 00:01:00.925 --> 00:01:03.665 We basically want to be your partner in helping you figure 23 00:01:03.805 --> 00:01:07.025 out how to actually use this in your job. 24 00:01:07.925 --> 00:01:09.545 So that's where the Leading 25 00:01:09.545 --> 00:01:13.625 with AI series comes in, launching in February 2026. 26 00:01:14.375 --> 00:01:16.825 It's designed around real use cases, 27 00:01:17.485 --> 00:01:18.785 not just shiny new tools. 28 00:01:19.595 --> 00:01:23.265 We'll have a separate class for different functional areas, 29 00:01:23.415 --> 00:01:27.065 including AI for leadership, strategy, finance, 30 00:01:27.735 --> 00:01:29.825 negotiation, managing people, 31 00:01:30.645 --> 00:01:33.865 all other leadership applications, roughly one per month 32 00:01:34.095 --> 00:01:36.025 through the year of 2026. 33 00:01:36.815 --> 00:01:40.585 They will emphasize practical hands-on learning, 34 00:01:40.885 --> 00:01:42.505 really geared for busy leaders. 35 00:01:43.285 --> 00:01:45.385 Here's how each of the courses will work. 36 00:01:46.035 --> 00:01:49.105 First, you'll have asynchronous pre-work online. 37 00:01:49.495 --> 00:01:52.425 This gives you baseline knowledge and it's flexible, 38 00:01:52.425 --> 00:01:54.945 and when you complete it, I should note 39 00:01:54.945 --> 00:01:56.465 that you'll also have access 40 00:01:56.645 --> 00:02:00.625 to Kelley's now renowned GenAI 101 course. 41 00:02:01.655 --> 00:02:05.705 Then you'll have one day of instruction in Indianapolis 42 00:02:05.895 --> 00:02:07.785 with your professor. There, 43 00:02:07.785 --> 00:02:09.625 you'll be encouraged to bring something 44 00:02:09.625 --> 00:02:12.225 that you're actually working on in your organization 45 00:02:12.925 --> 00:02:15.865 and learn the different ways that you can think about 46 00:02:16.165 --> 00:02:18.345 and apply frameworks to the problem 47 00:02:18.345 --> 00:02:19.425 that you've brought to the table. 48 00:02:20.205 --> 00:02:24.265 The following week, you'll spend half a day online with 49 00:02:24.265 --> 00:02:27.025 that same professor really getting hands on 50 00:02:27.055 --> 00:02:30.865 with the various tools that you can use to help you work 51 00:02:30.865 --> 00:02:34.705 through this project and come up to a more robust solution. 52 00:02:35.495 --> 00:02:38.105 Finally, if you'd like to earn a digital badge 53 00:02:38.125 --> 00:02:41.105 for the class, you have the option of completing 54 00:02:41.105 --> 00:02:43.265 what we call an action learning project. 55 00:02:43.925 --> 00:02:46.025 That's where you actually apply 56 00:02:46.095 --> 00:02:48.785 what you've learned in the class to an issue 57 00:02:48.785 --> 00:02:49.825 that you have at work 58 00:02:50.485 --> 00:02:51.505 and show us 59 00:02:51.615 --> 00:02:55.585 that you are literally using the things that we have taught. 60 00:02:56.605 --> 00:02:58.705 If you can get that prof, that that class, 61 00:02:59.705 --> 00:03:02.005 if you can get those courses completed, 62 00:03:02.305 --> 00:03:04.045 you then also have the opportunity 63 00:03:04.105 --> 00:03:07.125 to earn a professional certificate in Leading with AI 64 00:03:07.545 --> 00:03:09.885 by completing four courses in the series. 65 00:03:10.865 --> 00:03:14.285 Now, the first one we're starting with is Leading with AI: 66 00:03:14.945 --> 00:03:18.645 Self-Leadership, and this course kicks off in February 67 00:03:18.745 --> 00:03:19.885 of 2026. 68 00:03:20.625 --> 00:03:24.125 The instructor is one of my favorite colleagues, Ray Luther, 69 00:03:24.665 --> 00:03:27.445 who is not just a professor of management here, 70 00:03:27.745 --> 00:03:29.885 but also head of our Leadership Academy 71 00:03:30.065 --> 00:03:31.445 for the Full-Time MBAs. 72 00:03:32.185 --> 00:03:36.325 Now, self-leadership means managing your own mindset, 73 00:03:36.955 --> 00:03:39.525 your energy, managing your time, and 74 00:03:39.545 --> 00:03:40.925 and adjusting your behaviors. 75 00:03:41.475 --> 00:03:42.645 It's building awareness 76 00:03:42.905 --> 00:03:44.805 of your patterns and your blind spots. 77 00:03:45.545 --> 00:03:48.005 And Ray will show you how to use AI 78 00:03:48.305 --> 00:03:52.605 as a personal support system to help you have more clarity 79 00:03:52.625 --> 00:03:55.245 of thinking, to make better decisions 80 00:03:55.265 --> 00:03:58.685 and develop better habits, and even create new routines. 81 00:03:59.705 --> 00:04:03.365 The idea of starting here is that you really should learn 82 00:04:03.365 --> 00:04:04.965 to lead yourself with AI 83 00:04:05.305 --> 00:04:08.405 before you can credibly lead others with AI. 84 00:04:09.645 --> 00:04:12.245 I had the opportunity to sit down with Professor Luther 85 00:04:12.425 --> 00:04:14.005 to talk about the class, 86 00:04:14.545 --> 00:04:17.685 and I hope you enjoy watching the conversation as much 87 00:04:17.685 --> 00:04:18.965 as I enjoyed having it. 88 00:04:19.475 --> 00:04:22.605 What you should listen for as we go through this is, first, 89 00:04:22.985 --> 00:04:24.125 who the class is for 90 00:04:24.625 --> 00:04:27.165 and the kinds of problems that it really helps people solve. 91 00:04:27.785 --> 00:04:28.925 But pay attention 92 00:04:28.985 --> 00:04:31.645 to the learning outcomes that you'll enjoy. 93 00:04:32.385 --> 00:04:34.445 Ray is going to not only introduce some 94 00:04:34.445 --> 00:04:36.445 of his favorite tools and practices, 95 00:04:36.705 --> 00:04:37.925 but he'll also talk about 96 00:04:37.925 --> 00:04:39.485 what this course can help you to do. 97 00:04:40.225 --> 00:04:42.605 And now here's my conversation with Ray. 98 00:04:52.225 --> 00:04:54.445 Um, As you know, I consider you a guru 99 00:04:54.445 --> 00:04:55.525 when it comes to leadership. 100 00:04:55.625 --> 00:04:57.805 You are one of the people I go to first, 101 00:04:58.545 --> 00:05:02.205 and so I would be really excited to have you tell me 102 00:05:02.705 --> 00:05:05.805 how AI has changed your view on self-leadership, 103 00:05:06.145 --> 00:05:08.325 how it's created differences in your 104 00:05:08.645 --> 00:05:09.805 practice of self-leadership. 105 00:05:09.955 --> 00:05:11.605 Yeah, what a great question. 106 00:05:11.825 --> 00:05:15.805 Um, I mean, AI is, is creating such a ripple effect of, 107 00:05:15.945 --> 00:05:17.085 of disruption right? 108 00:05:17.545 --> 00:05:19.165 Across all of our lives. [Carolyn] Yes. 109 00:05:19.385 --> 00:05:20.805 [Ray] And especially our professional lives. 110 00:05:20.865 --> 00:05:23.565 So as somebody who likes to coach and develop others and, 111 00:05:23.985 --> 00:05:27.445 and really also teach them how to develop themselves 112 00:05:27.445 --> 00:05:29.725 through this concept of self-leadership, um, 113 00:05:29.795 --> 00:05:31.485 when I first started thinking about AI, 114 00:05:31.605 --> 00:05:32.725 I, I kind of stepped back. 115 00:05:32.785 --> 00:05:34.365 I'm like, Ooh, I don't know if this is gonna be good. 116 00:05:34.825 --> 00:05:37.805 And I would say my opinion has shifted, right? [Carolyn] Okay. 117 00:05:37.835 --> 00:05:40.085 [Ray] With some, um, with some caveats. 118 00:05:40.085 --> 00:05:41.365 And, and one of the, one 119 00:05:41.365 --> 00:05:44.325 of the first big use cases I heard was from a student, 120 00:05:44.705 --> 00:05:47.485 and I had a student in my MBA self-leadership class, 121 00:05:47.665 --> 00:05:48.845 and he said, hey, professor, can 122 00:05:48.845 --> 00:05:49.925 I talk to you a little bit after class? 123 00:05:50.125 --> 00:05:53.765 I said, sure. And this was when ChatGPT made its 124 00:05:53.765 --> 00:05:54.805 first big announcement. 125 00:05:54.805 --> 00:05:56.685 [Carolyn] Yeah. [Ray] And probably, I'm sorry, about six months 126 00:05:56.685 --> 00:06:00.125 after that, but he said, um, hey, 127 00:06:00.565 --> 00:06:02.805 I wanna show you something I've been doing with ChatGPT. 128 00:06:03.625 --> 00:06:06.445 And he showed me, basically he's been keeping a journal 129 00:06:06.545 --> 00:06:10.365 for six months on things that he was curious about himself 130 00:06:10.425 --> 00:06:12.645 and things that he was really learning about himself. 131 00:06:12.705 --> 00:06:17.485 And as he kept feeding ChatGPT more information, 132 00:06:18.145 --> 00:06:21.845 he was able to very, from a very astute position, play 133 00:06:21.845 --> 00:06:23.085 with it and ask it questions. 134 00:06:23.085 --> 00:06:26.245 And really create what I love about what, 135 00:06:26.275 --> 00:06:27.445 what LLMs can do, 136 00:06:27.445 --> 00:06:30.285 which is an external self-observation angle. 137 00:06:30.335 --> 00:06:33.085 Right. [Carolyn] Okay. [Ray] And so when we talk about leading yourself 138 00:06:33.155 --> 00:06:35.285 well, there's always two angles. 139 00:06:35.465 --> 00:06:38.725 One, what's the internal sensemaking that I'm doing? 140 00:06:38.725 --> 00:06:40.125 [Carolyn] Right. [Ray] What's the self-awareness I have? 141 00:06:40.545 --> 00:06:42.925 How do I make sense of situations? What are my values? 142 00:06:43.105 --> 00:06:45.525 How do I understand those? But an important piece 143 00:06:45.525 --> 00:06:47.405 that's often missed is this external, 144 00:06:47.555 --> 00:06:50.445 like, what does somebody else think about my leadership? 145 00:06:50.505 --> 00:06:52.325 How does somebody else experience 146 00:06:52.385 --> 00:06:53.685 me as I'm working with them? 147 00:06:54.225 --> 00:06:57.765 How do I, how do I work with others through their eyes? 148 00:06:57.825 --> 00:07:01.205 And we often don't have a good way 149 00:07:01.205 --> 00:07:02.285 of getting that information. [Carolyn] Yeah. 150 00:07:02.345 --> 00:07:06.405 [Ray] And so I feel like LLMs are an interesting kind of 151 00:07:07.195 --> 00:07:10.445 placeholder where they can serve as an external piece 152 00:07:10.445 --> 00:07:13.325 of observation with a lot of caveats, right? 153 00:07:13.325 --> 00:07:15.005 [Carolyn] Yeah. Yeah. [Ray] Um, and we have to understand 154 00:07:15.005 --> 00:07:17.165 what the models are, but that is one of the, 155 00:07:17.165 --> 00:07:19.885 when you ask like, what is a big shift in your practice, 156 00:07:19.885 --> 00:07:20.885 [Carolyn] Uhhuh. [Ray] that is one 157 00:07:20.885 --> 00:07:23.085 of the big shifts in my practice from a personal level, 158 00:07:23.445 --> 00:07:25.845 I can, uh, I, 159 00:07:26.005 --> 00:07:28.645 I do practice self-awareness building, self-observation. 160 00:07:28.645 --> 00:07:30.405 [Carolyn] Of course, [Ray] I, I, I teach this, 161 00:07:30.425 --> 00:07:34.045 but so I go through it as well, but now I can load documents 162 00:07:34.045 --> 00:07:35.285 or ask it questions or, 163 00:07:35.385 --> 00:07:37.325 or say, hey, here's what I'm trying to do. 164 00:07:37.325 --> 00:07:38.605 What am I missing? [Carolyn] Mmm-hmm. 165 00:07:38.735 --> 00:07:40.845 [Ray] Where am I not seeing an angle on this? 166 00:07:40.945 --> 00:07:43.285 And it gives me so many concepts 167 00:07:43.285 --> 00:07:48.005 and ideas of just, you know, patterns that might emerge. 168 00:07:48.415 --> 00:07:51.445 Right. It's, it we have to, it is a machine. [Carolyn] Yeah, yeah. 169 00:07:51.445 --> 00:07:55.045 [Ray] Right. It is. I'm not a technical person at all. 170 00:07:55.185 --> 00:07:57.365 So I, I use it from a very consumer friendly, 171 00:07:57.585 --> 00:07:59.485 so I appreciate that it's a machine. 172 00:07:59.485 --> 00:08:01.845 There are mathematical equations doing probability 173 00:08:01.845 --> 00:08:05.125 calculations behind the scenes, but the patterns 174 00:08:05.385 --> 00:08:08.405 and insights that it can capture, I find very helpful 175 00:08:09.145 --> 00:08:11.725 for then me to do the thinking, [Carolyn] Uhhuh, 176 00:08:11.725 --> 00:08:13.965 [Ray] which is the important part, don't lose the human element. 177 00:08:14.055 --> 00:08:16.045 {Carolyn] Right. [Ray] Me to do the thinking of, wow, 178 00:08:16.045 --> 00:08:17.765 that's an angle I haven't considered. 179 00:08:18.025 --> 00:08:19.805 That's a perspective I haven't thought about. 180 00:08:20.035 --> 00:08:22.845 That is a way that somebody might interpret my intention, 181 00:08:22.855 --> 00:08:26.205 which is different than what I actually intend. 182 00:08:26.205 --> 00:08:29.765 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] And that's really how it shifted my own practice of 183 00:08:30.405 --> 00:08:34.605 I just have a really astute external observer that's, again, 184 00:08:34.825 --> 00:08:37.445 has some limitations, but it can, it can help me get 185 00:08:37.445 --> 00:08:40.045 that external observation versus, you know, 186 00:08:40.305 --> 00:08:41.725 always having to go to somebody else. 187 00:08:42.065 --> 00:08:44.125 And we have all sorts of dynamics 188 00:08:44.125 --> 00:08:46.845 and relationships that make that very complicated 189 00:08:46.945 --> 00:08:48.485 to constantly ask for feedback. 190 00:08:48.485 --> 00:08:50.925 Right. [Carolyn] Indeed. [Ray] So anyway, that's a, that's a, 191 00:08:51.125 --> 00:08:53.845 a long-winded thought and way of answering that question. 192 00:08:53.985 --> 00:08:56.205 That's wonderful. One of the, one of the 193 00:08:56.765 --> 00:08:58.685 interesting things that's happened to me is when I've tried 194 00:08:58.685 --> 00:09:00.245 some of that self-reflection stuff, 195 00:09:00.395 --> 00:09:04.365 what comes back is, well, um, you're very abrupt. 196 00:09:04.365 --> 00:09:08.125 Are you okay with that? And so what I love is the this is 197 00:09:08.125 --> 00:09:09.885 what you're doing, are you okay with that? 198 00:09:09.885 --> 00:09:12.365 [Ray] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [Carolyn] And, and sometimes I say Uhuh, 199 00:09:12.825 --> 00:09:15.965 and other times I say, yeah, abrupt probably isn't good, 200 00:09:15.965 --> 00:09:18.245 particularly in the kinds of emails that I'm sending. [Ray] Mm-hmm. 201 00:09:18.405 --> 00:09:20.645 [Carolyn] A a good, you know, that, that how are you might be good. 202 00:09:20.785 --> 00:09:22.965 [Ray] Yes. [Carolyn] Do you have anything like that that you've learned 203 00:09:23.145 --> 00:09:24.205 as you've gone through this process? 204 00:09:24.555 --> 00:09:25.925 Yeah, I, I would say 205 00:09:25.955 --> 00:09:29.565 that oftentimes it picks up on patterns that I have of, um, 206 00:09:29.645 --> 00:09:30.925 I could be long-winded, right? 207 00:09:30.925 --> 00:09:33.045 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] And so I will shoot something 208 00:09:33.045 --> 00:09:35.285 or I, I load a piece of writing that I've come up with 209 00:09:35.345 --> 00:09:38.085 or a response and just say, hey, what, what's coming back? 210 00:09:38.425 --> 00:09:39.445 You know, hey, 211 00:09:39.445 --> 00:09:40.845 maybe you wanna make this a little more concise. 212 00:09:40.905 --> 00:09:42.645 Hey, maybe you wanna make this a little more condensed. 213 00:09:42.645 --> 00:09:44.205 Hey, maybe you wanna get to the point, right? 214 00:09:44.305 --> 00:09:47.045 So again, that external observation, hey, 215 00:09:47.135 --> 00:09:48.925 maybe you're being a bit abrupt, right? 216 00:09:49.345 --> 00:09:52.125 As if you, again, the more you prompt well, 217 00:09:52.145 --> 00:09:54.005 the more you are able to work with the tool, 218 00:09:54.005 --> 00:09:55.845 the more you're able to give it samples 219 00:09:55.985 --> 00:09:57.165 or things to learn from, 220 00:09:57.305 --> 00:10:00.925 and then, you know, ask it meaningful questions. 221 00:10:00.925 --> 00:10:04.245 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] Then the tool can be just that, a tool 222 00:10:04.245 --> 00:10:06.565 to help you understand yourself a little bit better. [Carolyn] It, 223 00:10:06.565 --> 00:10:08.845 it almost feels like figuring out 224 00:10:08.925 --> 00:10:10.525 what questions to ask [Ray] Mm-hmm. 225 00:10:10.905 --> 00:10:14.045 [Carolyn] is a huge form of self-leadership. [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] Is it that simple? 226 00:10:14.465 --> 00:10:15.565 [Ray] Um, I think so. 227 00:10:15.685 --> 00:10:17.525 I think it's what questions to ask and, 228 00:10:17.625 --> 00:10:19.925 and what clarity do you need 229 00:10:19.925 --> 00:10:22.245 to provide the model to be able to help you? 230 00:10:22.245 --> 00:10:23.965 Right. [Carolyn] Uhhuh. [Ray] And so, you know, if I, 231 00:10:24.745 --> 00:10:27.125 if I ask the model a question 232 00:10:27.985 --> 00:10:30.045 and ask the model a question in a way 233 00:10:30.045 --> 00:10:32.445 that doesn't give any other parameters, 234 00:10:32.995 --> 00:10:36.005 that question could be useful. If I ask the model a question, 235 00:10:36.145 --> 00:10:37.925 but also give it parameters that say, 236 00:10:38.305 --> 00:10:40.725 I'm very confident these are the values I want to live by. 237 00:10:40.725 --> 00:10:41.965 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] I'm very confident 238 00:10:41.965 --> 00:10:43.925 that this is a philosophy that's important to me. 239 00:10:44.425 --> 00:10:47.045 I'm very confident that I've gotten feedback that says, 240 00:10:47.045 --> 00:10:48.445 here's some strengths and opportunities, 241 00:10:48.585 --> 00:10:52.325 and I ask it the same question, that additional context 242 00:10:52.505 --> 00:10:54.085 or information can really help. 243 00:10:54.455 --> 00:10:56.965 Right. And it can help me, again, what am I trying 244 00:10:56.985 --> 00:10:58.085 to use the tool for? 245 00:10:58.385 --> 00:11:00.925 I'm trying to use the tool for another source of observation 246 00:11:00.945 --> 00:11:02.925 to gimme some thoughts and ideas on 247 00:11:02.985 --> 00:11:05.445 how I might actually want to act. 248 00:11:06.165 --> 00:11:09.525 I think one of the things that I read recently in a, 249 00:11:09.625 --> 00:11:13.685 in from a, a blog post that I read was, you, you don't want 250 00:11:13.685 --> 00:11:17.925 to outsource, um, the human element to AI, right? 251 00:11:17.985 --> 00:11:21.125 You, you want to make sure that you're retaining you 252 00:11:21.345 --> 00:11:22.765 as the agent, right? 253 00:11:22.765 --> 00:11:25.325 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] You as, how do I maintain my agency? 254 00:11:25.745 --> 00:11:28.925 But use the tool just like another technical tool 255 00:11:28.925 --> 00:11:32.165 that's able to help you maybe shift some thought, 256 00:11:32.335 --> 00:11:34.765 accelerate some thought, look for different patterns, 257 00:11:35.145 --> 00:11:36.405 use it in a way to kind 258 00:11:36.405 --> 00:11:39.125 of help yourself maybe get a little bit more clarity. 259 00:11:39.705 --> 00:11:42.885 So it seems like it's got some really good opportunity 260 00:11:42.885 --> 00:11:46.365 here for people who, who like the, the reflection [Ray] Mm-hmm. 261 00:11:46.465 --> 00:11:47.765 [Carolyn] and the, that process [Ray] Mm-hmm. 262 00:11:47.865 --> 00:11:50.125 [Carolyn] of, of remodeling as I call it, [Ray] Right, [Carolyn] right, 263 00:11:50.125 --> 00:11:52.765 as you're working through. Is there anything about it 264 00:11:52.765 --> 00:11:55.325 that might prompt folks who don't like that process? 265 00:11:55.585 --> 00:11:57.005 [Ray] Mm. [Carolyn] to engage? [Ray] Mm, 266 00:11:57.185 --> 00:11:58.185 that's a great question. 267 00:11:58.265 --> 00:12:00.885 Um, oftentimes when I find people that don't want 268 00:12:00.885 --> 00:12:03.005 to engage regardless of AI use or not, 269 00:12:03.005 --> 00:12:06.165 [Carolyn] Yeah. [Ray] uh, typically it's some sort of emotional discomfort 270 00:12:06.465 --> 00:12:10.005 or, um, uncertainty about, wow, I don't know if I want 271 00:12:10.005 --> 00:12:11.725 to know all these things about myself, 272 00:12:11.725 --> 00:12:15.005 [Carolyn] Yes. [Ray] right. I don't know if I want to be aware of some 273 00:12:15.005 --> 00:12:17.245 of my shortcomings or maybe be aware of some 274 00:12:17.245 --> 00:12:18.725 of the quirks that I have, et cetera. 275 00:12:18.745 --> 00:12:20.885 [Carolyn] Yep. [Ray] And that probably does take some work 276 00:12:21.115 --> 00:12:22.565 outside of the tool domain. 277 00:12:22.625 --> 00:12:25.325 [Carolyn] Yep. [Ray] Okay. How do we build the self-efficacy, 278 00:12:25.345 --> 00:12:28.805 the self-confidence to kind of say, I'm a whole human being 279 00:12:28.905 --> 00:12:30.645 and I can look at, you know [Carolyn] Yep. 280 00:12:30.865 --> 00:12:35.445 [Ray] how I show up holistically as a, as a place to learn from. 281 00:12:35.445 --> 00:12:37.325 Right. [Carolyn] I love that. [Ray] Where, where do I want to go from here? 282 00:12:37.845 --> 00:12:39.565 I think that's where, again, the tool can help you. 283 00:12:39.805 --> 00:12:42.565 I, I don't think there's anything magical about the tool 284 00:12:42.565 --> 00:12:43.885 that would suddenly shift that [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. 285 00:12:43.985 --> 00:12:45.645 [Ray] if you don't do the work yourself [Carolyn]Yeah. 286 00:12:45.645 --> 00:12:49.325 [Ray] to be able to, you know, be in a good place to, to work 287 00:12:49.325 --> 00:12:50.805 with this perspective about yourself. 288 00:12:51.235 --> 00:12:53.645 What do you wish AI could do that it can't yet? 289 00:12:53.945 --> 00:12:58.925 Oh, wow. Um, I wish I, I have a lot of ideas 290 00:12:59.025 --> 00:13:01.565 and, and this is again, my technical incompetence. 291 00:13:01.685 --> 00:13:04.885 I have a lot of ideas for, uh, coding tools 292 00:13:05.065 --> 00:13:09.365 or coding help that I would like from AI that I think, um, 293 00:13:09.555 --> 00:13:12.445 just because of my coaching practice 294 00:13:12.445 --> 00:13:14.565 and how I work with people, I would like it 295 00:13:14.565 --> 00:13:17.125 to create little micro learning, right, 296 00:13:17.225 --> 00:13:20.645 [Carolyn] Yes. [Ray] events. And I'm sure this is, this is, uh, 297 00:13:20.795 --> 00:13:21.925 very possible and it's just 298 00:13:21.925 --> 00:13:24.645 beyond my technical competence. [Carolyn] it's beyond mine too. 299 00:13:24.745 --> 00:13:28.245 [Ray] Um, but at the same time, I, I, I hope that it gets easier 300 00:13:28.945 --> 00:13:31.045 at being able to create some of those things 301 00:13:31.045 --> 00:13:34.165 because I, I think from a creativity standpoint, 302 00:13:34.525 --> 00:13:37.565 I love the tool because it enables so many kind 303 00:13:37.565 --> 00:13:39.045 of open playgrounds [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. 304 00:13:39.145 --> 00:13:42.125 [Ray] to be able to help people either as a teacher, instructor, 305 00:13:42.335 --> 00:13:46.165 coach, um, help people and learn with each other, right, 306 00:13:46.425 --> 00:13:48.325 as an interactive component, uh, 307 00:13:48.325 --> 00:13:50.205 that it could be really, really cool. 308 00:13:50.265 --> 00:13:52.405 But again, that's, that's something 309 00:13:52.405 --> 00:13:53.725 that's a little bit beyond my capacity. 310 00:13:53.875 --> 00:13:54.875 [Carolyn] Mine too. And I 311 00:13:54.875 --> 00:13:55.605 would dearly love 312 00:13:55.605 --> 00:13:57.405 to have those little micro learning moments. 313 00:13:57.405 --> 00:13:59.165 [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] But I'm not that smart. 314 00:13:59.385 --> 00:14:02.085 So, we'll just, just kind of speaking 315 00:14:02.085 --> 00:14:03.085 of getting smarter though. 316 00:14:03.085 --> 00:14:05.565 [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] I do want to shift gears into the course 317 00:14:05.565 --> 00:14:08.085 that you'll be teaching in our Leading with AI series. 318 00:14:08.185 --> 00:14:10.765 [Ray] Yes. [Carolyn] It's Leading with AI: Self-Leadership. [Ray] Mm-hmm. 319 00:14:10.985 --> 00:14:12.725 [Carolyn] So let me start by saying, 320 00:14:13.025 --> 00:14:15.365 if I am considering this course, [Ray] Mm-hmm. 321 00:14:15.475 --> 00:14:17.485 [Carolyn] what would I need to do in advance? 322 00:14:18.185 --> 00:14:20.245 Um, not, not just the pre-work of learning to, 323 00:14:20.385 --> 00:14:21.605 to prompt, et cetera. 324 00:14:21.615 --> 00:14:24.285 [Ray] Right. [Carolyn] But what, where would my head need to be in order 325 00:14:24.285 --> 00:14:26.205 to get the maximum value out of this? [Ray] Yeah. 326 00:14:26.555 --> 00:14:30.125 Such a great question. I I, I hope people come into this 327 00:14:30.125 --> 00:14:32.845 with a natural curiosity to learn more about themselves. 328 00:14:32.875 --> 00:14:34.725 [Carolyn] Okay. [Ray] When I work with people 329 00:14:34.725 --> 00:14:37.365 and we start talking about this concept of self-leadership, 330 00:14:37.425 --> 00:14:39.485 one, it's, if, if you're not in the space, 331 00:14:39.545 --> 00:14:41.405 it could be a little bit of a foreign concept saying, 332 00:14:41.405 --> 00:14:43.085 what does it mean to lead myself? 333 00:14:43.085 --> 00:14:45.765 Right. [Carolyn] Exactly. [Ray] And when we kind of step back 334 00:14:45.765 --> 00:14:48.725 and think about it, we all, we mean by self-leadership is, 335 00:14:49.265 --> 00:14:52.165 um, do I have the capacity to build my self-awareness 336 00:14:52.755 --> 00:14:55.965 through how I view myself and how others experience me? 337 00:14:55.965 --> 00:14:58.325 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] And then based upon that self-awareness, 338 00:14:58.505 --> 00:15:01.485 can I get in line with intentions I have? 339 00:15:01.865 --> 00:15:04.205 And typically those intentions come from the values 340 00:15:04.315 --> 00:15:05.365 that we're trying to practice, 341 00:15:05.745 --> 00:15:07.325 or goals we want to set for ourself. 342 00:15:07.325 --> 00:15:09.405 [Carolyn] Okay. [Ray] And that's kind of how I break it down. [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. 343 00:15:09.625 --> 00:15:12.405 [Racy] And so what I would hope people come to with is, one, 344 00:15:12.805 --> 00:15:14.685 a curiosity about AI as a tool, 345 00:15:15.065 --> 00:15:17.325 but then two, a curiosity about themselves. 346 00:15:17.515 --> 00:15:19.365 [Carolyn] Good. [Ray] Right. How do you come in 347 00:15:19.385 --> 00:15:21.605 and do you have a good perspective on your values? 348 00:15:21.785 --> 00:15:23.285 Do you have a sense of your goals? 349 00:15:23.705 --> 00:15:25.965 Do you have a vision for yourself? [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. 350 00:15:26.085 --> 00:15:28.805 [Ray] And if not, do we want to create one of those, right? 351 00:15:28.805 --> 00:15:31.485 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] We can explore small exercises 352 00:15:31.585 --> 00:15:33.045 to start thinking about all of those, 353 00:15:33.225 --> 00:15:36.565 and then we'll simply layer on some AI thinking 354 00:15:36.565 --> 00:15:38.205 that might be able to help augment 355 00:15:38.345 --> 00:15:40.845 and, uh, enhance our perspectives 356 00:15:40.845 --> 00:15:42.925 as we go about doing that work. [Carolyn] Would 357 00:15:42.925 --> 00:15:44.565 you mind just briefly, 'cause I know this, 358 00:15:44.565 --> 00:15:46.685 this concept will be foreign [Ray] Mm-hmm. 359 00:15:46.765 --> 00:15:47.885 [Carolyn] to a number of the people with us. 360 00:15:48.135 --> 00:15:50.285 Would you choose one of those exercises 361 00:15:50.285 --> 00:15:52.525 and then very quickly just walk me through it [Ray] Yeah. 362 00:15:52.525 --> 00:15:54.205 [Carolyn] to give them a sense of what it is? [Ray] Yeah. 363 00:15:54.465 --> 00:15:56.325 So one of the exercises I like 364 00:15:56.325 --> 00:15:58.165 to do is the values clarity exercise. 365 00:15:58.185 --> 00:16:00.485 [Carolyn] Yep. [Ray] And, and we will spend a bit of time on values clarity, 366 00:16:00.825 --> 00:16:03.045 uh, because values are so fundamental to what we do. 367 00:16:03.045 --> 00:16:04.165 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] And there's lots 368 00:16:04.165 --> 00:16:07.245 of very simple values identification tools out there. 369 00:16:07.265 --> 00:16:08.645 And some people might come to the class 370 00:16:08.645 --> 00:16:10.525 with these already clarified, which is great. 371 00:16:10.865 --> 00:16:13.525 Um, but we'll do some quick exercise to say, okay, let's get 372 00:16:13.525 --> 00:16:15.005 to our top five to seven values. 373 00:16:15.005 --> 00:16:18.765 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] Um, and one of the exercises that I like to do 374 00:16:18.765 --> 00:16:22.805 with AI and values now is again, using it as a context 375 00:16:23.495 --> 00:16:28.445 input and looking at that context input versus some sort 376 00:16:28.445 --> 00:16:30.845 of loosely defined work goal, 377 00:16:30.955 --> 00:16:33.045 work objective, whatever it happens to be. 378 00:16:33.465 --> 00:16:36.285 And starting to say, how can we use prompts to kind of 379 00:16:36.875 --> 00:16:38.965 help us think through, hey, if I have a value 380 00:16:38.985 --> 00:16:41.765 of collaboration, relationships, honesty, 381 00:16:42.425 --> 00:16:43.925 and transparency, [Carolyn] Right. 382 00:16:43.925 --> 00:16:45.525 [Ray] like, those are values I hold dear, 383 00:16:45.865 --> 00:16:48.245 and I have this major project coming up over the next 384 00:16:48.245 --> 00:16:49.365 12 to 18 months. 385 00:16:50.085 --> 00:16:51.725 I know these things are important to me. 386 00:16:52.395 --> 00:16:54.645 What are ways that I might want to think about 387 00:16:55.415 --> 00:16:57.085 delivering against those values 388 00:16:57.085 --> 00:17:00.285 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] so I am motivated while also delivering some 389 00:17:00.285 --> 00:17:01.365 sort of meaningful work? 390 00:17:01.515 --> 00:17:03.285 What should I be considering in advance? 391 00:17:03.385 --> 00:17:06.765 And again, just as a prompt tool, just as a way to look 392 00:17:06.765 --> 00:17:10.685 for patterns, explore things, how do we use the, uh, 393 00:17:10.865 --> 00:17:13.045 the stuff that we need to do our own thinking about 394 00:17:13.185 --> 00:17:16.005 of what's important to me with a tool that helps us 395 00:17:16.535 --> 00:17:20.925 maybe speed up some of that observational process of 396 00:17:20.925 --> 00:17:22.285 how we could either apply these 397 00:17:22.425 --> 00:17:24.645 or maybe how we have applied them depending on 398 00:17:24.645 --> 00:17:26.085 what data we want to share with the tool. 399 00:17:26.405 --> 00:17:30.245 [Carolyn] I have this vision of project management KPIs 400 00:17:30.585 --> 00:17:33.805 and value activation being one of the KPIs. 401 00:17:34.045 --> 00:17:35.165 [Ray] I would love that. [Carolyn] Wouldn't that be amazing? 402 00:17:35.275 --> 00:17:37.245 [Ray] That would be amazing. [Carolyn] Oh my gosh. Okay. [Ray] Yes. 403 00:17:37.705 --> 00:17:38.965 [Carolyn] Um, so yeah, that 404 00:17:38.965 --> 00:17:40.965 and learning micro learning, and we can do those things. 405 00:17:41.025 --> 00:17:42.125 [Ray] We can do, [Carolyn] we're like all 406 00:17:42.125 --> 00:17:43.685 in. [Ray] You mentioned values activation. 407 00:17:43.685 --> 00:17:45.085 It's such an important concept to me. 408 00:17:45.165 --> 00:17:47.725 I think it's one thing, you know, when we work with a lot 409 00:17:47.725 --> 00:17:49.045 of self-leadership concepts, 410 00:17:49.060 --> 00:17:50.100 no matter what they are, [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. 411 00:17:50.185 --> 00:17:52.925 [Ray] we can identify values, and we can get pretty good at that. 412 00:17:52.925 --> 00:17:54.125 Right. We can look for that. 413 00:17:54.395 --> 00:17:56.365 There's a bigger question of, great, now 414 00:17:56.365 --> 00:17:59.685 that I've identified them, can I activate them? 415 00:17:59.775 --> 00:18:02.285 [Carolyn] Right. [Ray] Or how do I stay conscious enough about them 416 00:18:02.285 --> 00:18:03.845 that I do activate them? 417 00:18:04.055 --> 00:18:05.965 [Carolyn] Right. [Ray] Right. In a consistent basis. 418 00:18:06.065 --> 00:18:09.725 So it's not just about the reflection of did I [Carolyn] Uhhuh 419 00:18:09.985 --> 00:18:12.965 [Ray] but it's the kind of perspective-taking of looking forward 420 00:18:12.985 --> 00:18:14.525 to say, how will I? [Carolyn] Yeah. 421 00:18:14.575 --> 00:18:16.725 [Ray] Right. And how do I keep that active? 422 00:18:16.785 --> 00:18:21.365 And that is a, if, if we can help show up in a way 423 00:18:21.365 --> 00:18:24.085 that is more value, you know, values aligned in the work 424 00:18:24.085 --> 00:18:26.445 that we're doing, we're probably gonna make a little bit 425 00:18:26.445 --> 00:18:27.485 more meaning out of that work, 426 00:18:27.725 --> 00:18:30.485 a little bit more motivation out of that work, et cetera. 427 00:18:30.665 --> 00:18:32.045 All those good things that come along with that. 428 00:18:32.705 --> 00:18:35.045 Uh, I, I, I don't know if I've, if I've shared this story 429 00:18:35.045 --> 00:18:38.325 with you or not, but, um, my stepmom passed away last year. 430 00:18:38.385 --> 00:18:42.365 [Ray] Oh. [Carolyn] And I was going through the process of using ChatGPT 431 00:18:42.365 --> 00:18:45.805 to kinda help me organize my thoughts as I was working 432 00:18:45.805 --> 00:18:48.005 with my dad on the memorial and, and all of those things. 433 00:18:48.005 --> 00:18:51.765 [Ray] Mm-hmm. [Carolyn] And in the mix was a young 18-year-old, uh, 434 00:18:52.615 --> 00:18:54.285 grand-niece who sort 435 00:18:54.285 --> 00:18:56.965 of had grand ideas about taking over the memorial service. 436 00:18:56.985 --> 00:19:00.685 [Ray] Mm-hmm. [Carolyn] And so I was trying to, to, to, you know, the, the, 437 00:19:00.685 --> 00:19:02.965 were trying to do this and collaboratively, et cetera, 438 00:19:03.145 --> 00:19:04.365 and I'm writing all of it in, 439 00:19:04.365 --> 00:19:05.645 but I was very, very frustrated. 440 00:19:05.645 --> 00:19:07.885 Yeah. So as I was adding context, I said, 441 00:19:07.905 --> 00:19:09.485 and please help me do all of this so 442 00:19:09.485 --> 00:19:10.845 that I don't smack Isabel. 443 00:19:12.585 --> 00:19:15.405 And I got the prompt back with all the things at the end. 444 00:19:15.405 --> 00:19:17.285 It said, I don't think physical violence is 445 00:19:17.285 --> 00:19:18.405 consistent with your values. 446 00:19:19.965 --> 00:19:21.365 [Ray] A good external observation 447 00:19:21.965 --> 00:19:22.965 [Carolyn] It really was [Ray]Yes. [Carolyn] And I found myself 448 00:19:22.965 --> 00:19:23.565 saying, yes, 449 00:19:23.685 --> 00:19:24.725 I should probably change the language. 450 00:19:24.945 --> 00:19:28.525 [Ray] Yes, yes.[Carolyn] Probably refocus that energy a little bit 451 00:19:28.595 --> 00:19:31.245 [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] because yeah, it really is something 452 00:19:31.245 --> 00:19:34.285 that keeps you, keeps you honest, 453 00:19:34.515 --> 00:19:35.885 [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] for lack of a better way to put it. 454 00:19:35.995 --> 00:19:38.885 [Ray] Yeah. I was just reading something, uh, a post, uh, 455 00:19:39.395 --> 00:19:40.565 floated by on LinkedIn, 456 00:19:40.645 --> 00:19:41.965 and I know there's an active debate 457 00:19:41.965 --> 00:19:44.565 among some prominent psychologists right now at a 458 00:19:44.565 --> 00:19:46.645 philosophical level of do these tools 459 00:19:46.645 --> 00:19:48.045 experience emotions or not? 460 00:19:48.545 --> 00:19:50.685 And there are some who are on the side that say, 461 00:19:50.945 --> 00:19:52.165 no, no, no, no, these are tools. 462 00:19:52.165 --> 00:19:54.365 These are mathematical equations. This is not emotion laden. 463 00:19:54.665 --> 00:19:55.685 And then there are others 464 00:19:55.865 --> 00:19:58.525 who philosophically are looking at it saying, wow, 465 00:19:58.525 --> 00:20:01.205 there is some, some interesting ways based upon 466 00:20:01.205 --> 00:20:03.125 how we think emotions, that maybe there's some evidence 467 00:20:03.125 --> 00:20:06.365 there that the, that that is influencing them. 468 00:20:06.805 --> 00:20:07.885 I, again, [Carolyn] Where do 469 00:20:07.885 --> 00:20:09.405 you come down on that? [Ray] way, way, 470 00:20:09.745 --> 00:20:12.565 Uh, I, I tend to be more of the, 471 00:20:13.235 --> 00:20:14.805 they are emotionless tools 472 00:20:14.805 --> 00:20:16.605 with a mathematical equation behind them. 473 00:20:16.675 --> 00:20:18.245 [Carolyn] Yeah. [Ray] But it's interesting 474 00:20:18.245 --> 00:20:21.405 because I think the way in which we interpret the language 475 00:20:21.405 --> 00:20:22.445 that they share with us, 476 00:20:23.465 --> 00:20:26.645 we are often reading it in an emotional state. 477 00:20:26.745 --> 00:20:29.805 [Carolyn] Yes. [Ray] Right. And so it's easy to look at it 478 00:20:29.805 --> 00:20:33.165 and say, wow, that, that they must have had emotions 479 00:20:33.165 --> 00:20:34.765 as they express this thing. 480 00:20:34.945 --> 00:20:37.325 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] Must have had emotions that had expressed that. 481 00:20:38.085 --> 00:20:39.885 I don't know, that's way beyond my pay grade, 482 00:20:40.105 --> 00:20:42.325 but it was an interesting philosophical question 483 00:20:42.345 --> 00:20:43.885 as I I was contemplating it. 484 00:20:44.075 --> 00:20:46.245 Kind of scares me that there could be a mathematical 485 00:20:46.485 --> 00:20:48.405 equation that would predict my emotional response. 486 00:20:48.545 --> 00:20:50.765 [Ray] Yes. [Carolyn] But it almost seems like that's what's happening. [Ray] Yeah, 487 00:20:50.875 --> 00:20:51.875 Yeah. At some level, 488 00:20:51.875 --> 00:20:52.525 I think you're right. 489 00:20:52.865 --> 00:20:55.605 [Carolyn] That's, that's absolutely intriguing. Okay. I'm sorry. 490 00:20:55.605 --> 00:20:56.445 Back to the class. [Ray] Yeah. 491 00:20:56.445 --> 00:20:57.485 [Carolyn] Which is where we are supposed to be. 492 00:20:57.865 --> 00:21:01.165 Um, so when folks come in, um, so they'll have the, 493 00:21:01.165 --> 00:21:02.765 the pre-work, they'll learn how to prompt [Ray] Mm-hmm. 494 00:21:02.845 --> 00:21:04.685 [Carolyn] They'll do all those good things, and then they'll have 495 00:21:04.685 --> 00:21:06.805 their first, first live day with you. 496 00:21:06.805 --> 00:21:08.365 [Ray] Mm-hmm. [Carolyn] What would be a win 497 00:21:08.365 --> 00:21:10.005 for you at the end of that live day? 498 00:21:10.005 --> 00:21:12.765 What would people walk away with at that point in the class? 499 00:21:13.125 --> 00:21:15.005 I think it's two things for me, two primary things. 500 00:21:15.105 --> 00:21:16.165 One is, um, 501 00:21:16.195 --> 00:21:19.645 they actually build some competency in self-leadership. 502 00:21:19.795 --> 00:21:20.965 [Carolyn] Good. [Ray] Right. Regardless of whether 503 00:21:20.965 --> 00:21:23.725 or not we're dealing with the tool, they're able to say, 504 00:21:23.785 --> 00:21:25.365 wow, I have a, I have a pathway 505 00:21:25.465 --> 00:21:27.845 to increase my self-awareness through self-observation. 506 00:21:27.875 --> 00:21:30.685 [Carolyn] Yeah. [Ray] And then I feel competent that as I do 507 00:21:30.685 --> 00:21:32.325 that I could make decisions 508 00:21:32.325 --> 00:21:33.565 that would be more meaningful to me. 509 00:21:33.785 --> 00:21:37.205 And then the second would be, how can I augment that process 510 00:21:37.425 --> 00:21:39.685 by use of some of these new tools, emerging tools, 511 00:21:39.995 --> 00:21:41.045 just a little bit of a sense 512 00:21:41.045 --> 00:21:42.845 of experimentation and curiosity, 513 00:21:43.335 --> 00:21:44.965 right, within safe balance, but, 514 00:21:45.145 --> 00:21:46.445 but enough that we look at it 515 00:21:46.445 --> 00:21:49.725 and say, wow, maybe there's a way I could even accelerate 516 00:21:49.725 --> 00:21:52.925 this by playing with the AI in a kind of creative way. 517 00:21:53.365 --> 00:21:56.165 [Carolyn] I love that. And so then you've set that self-efficacy up 518 00:21:56.385 --> 00:21:57.605 for in the next week when they have 519 00:21:57.605 --> 00:21:59.125 that half day online with you [Ray] Mm-hmm. 520 00:21:59.545 --> 00:22:01.125 [Carolyn] to say, you can do this. 521 00:22:01.365 --> 00:22:04.325 I hope you now believe you can do this. Here we go. [Ray] Right. 522 00:22:04.415 --> 00:22:07.365 Right. I'm a huge believer in adult education. [Carolyn] Yep. 523 00:22:07.435 --> 00:22:09.325 [Ray] Andragogy, right. And as we think about 524 00:22:09.705 --> 00:22:12.685 how adults learn best, it would be let's learn it. 525 00:22:12.695 --> 00:22:13.965 Let's go apply it. [Carolyn] Yep. 526 00:22:14.095 --> 00:22:15.965 [Ray] Let's have an immediacy, and then let's come back 527 00:22:15.965 --> 00:22:17.285 and talk about that immediacy, 528 00:22:17.285 --> 00:22:18.445 what worked, what didn't work. 529 00:22:18.505 --> 00:22:21.685 And so I love the follow-on session being so closely linked 530 00:22:21.685 --> 00:22:24.725 because we can set up some short experiment time to say, 531 00:22:24.725 --> 00:22:26.005 what can we learn and how do we, 532 00:22:26.025 --> 00:22:27.125 how do we make sense of that? 533 00:22:27.565 --> 00:22:30.125 [Carolyn] I love that. Then the last thing we're gonna ask folks 534 00:22:30.145 --> 00:22:32.965 to do is some sort of action learnings. 535 00:22:32.985 --> 00:22:34.205 In other words, we were gonna go back 536 00:22:34.225 --> 00:22:35.605 and say, what did you do [Ray] Mm-hmm. 537 00:22:35.685 --> 00:22:37.205 [Carolyn] as a result of being in the class. [Ray] Mm-hmm. 538 00:22:37.835 --> 00:22:41.325 [Carolyn] What are some of the things you've seen your students do in 539 00:22:41.325 --> 00:22:43.205 your previous self-leadership classes 540 00:22:43.205 --> 00:22:45.605 [Ray] Mm-hmm. [Carolyn] that would be good goals 541 00:22:45.955 --> 00:22:47.085 [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] for some of these folks? 542 00:22:47.315 --> 00:22:51.165 Yeah. I think, um, a couple just, I, I would aim for, 543 00:22:51.505 --> 00:22:54.165 you know, I'm a big fan of the small win philosophy, right? [Carolyn] Ditto. 544 00:22:54.265 --> 00:22:55.485 [Ray] How do we think about small wins? 545 00:22:55.505 --> 00:22:58.885 How do we not try to chew too much at the same time? [Carolyn] Yep. 546 00:22:59.145 --> 00:23:00.325 [Ray] Um, and so what I would look 547 00:23:00.325 --> 00:23:03.765 for from an action learning perspective is, um, are we able 548 00:23:03.765 --> 00:23:06.205 to see places where we've actually activated our values 549 00:23:06.205 --> 00:23:08.565 because we're raising awareness, 550 00:23:08.585 --> 00:23:10.845 or are we able to get better clarity on goals 551 00:23:10.845 --> 00:23:12.045 that we're setting for ourselves? 552 00:23:12.185 --> 00:23:15.445 And maybe looking at defining those goals not just 553 00:23:15.445 --> 00:23:17.125 as outcome goals, but maybe process 554 00:23:17.135 --> 00:23:18.245 goals and learning goals, 555 00:23:18.345 --> 00:23:21.405 and, um, how can AI actually help us think through that, 556 00:23:21.405 --> 00:23:24.645 right? One of the exercises I had, uh, one 557 00:23:24.645 --> 00:23:27.125 of my classes do last summer was define 558 00:23:27.125 --> 00:23:30.365 for themselves either a process or learning goal [Carolyn] Uhhuh. 559 00:23:30.385 --> 00:23:32.205 [Ray] and then use AI to help them 560 00:23:32.915 --> 00:23:36.245 triangulate process outcome and learning, 561 00:23:36.525 --> 00:23:38.365 [Carolyn] Uhhuh. [Ray] right, relative to and, 562 00:23:38.385 --> 00:23:40.405 and how do they shape that iteratively. 563 00:23:40.405 --> 00:23:43.165 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] Um, so just again, using the tool 564 00:23:43.185 --> 00:23:46.645 to maybe augment some thinking they must do. 565 00:23:46.665 --> 00:23:48.325 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] Right. But do it in a way 566 00:23:48.325 --> 00:23:50.245 where the tool might be able to open up ideas 567 00:23:50.345 --> 00:23:51.965 or concepts that they haven't considered. 568 00:23:52.445 --> 00:23:55.365 [Carolyn] I dearly love that. Uh, if you were going 569 00:23:55.365 --> 00:23:57.205 to tell somebody, you should come 570 00:23:57.205 --> 00:23:58.685 to this class, here's my pitch. 571 00:23:58.875 --> 00:24:01.565 [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] What would, what would you say the value is? 572 00:24:02.365 --> 00:24:04.325 I think the value is learning how 573 00:24:04.325 --> 00:24:07.645 to use these very powerful tools in an applied way 574 00:24:07.645 --> 00:24:08.845 [Carolyn] Mm-hmm. [Ray] to maybe lead 575 00:24:08.845 --> 00:24:10.325 ourselves a little bit more effectively? 576 00:24:10.825 --> 00:24:12.125 And maybe have some fun along the way 577 00:24:12.145 --> 00:24:13.485 And maybe have some fun along the way. 578 00:24:14.065 --> 00:24:15.685 Is there anything I haven't asked you 579 00:24:15.685 --> 00:24:16.725 about this that you think I should? 580 00:24:17.045 --> 00:24:18.045 I think we've covered a lot of good. 581 00:24:18.125 --> 00:24:20.285 I think we did a good job. [Ray] Yeah. [Carolyn] Excellent. [Ray] All right. 582 00:24:22.295 --> 00:24:24.115 [Carolyn] And if you thought the conversation was fun, 583 00:24:24.375 --> 00:24:26.315 you really should check out the class. 584 00:24:27.055 --> 00:24:30.035 If you find that you have questions either about some 585 00:24:30.035 --> 00:24:32.795 of the things that Ray said or about the class 586 00:24:33.015 --> 00:24:36.155 and its format, please do use the Q&A function, 587 00:24:36.335 --> 00:24:38.675 and I'll try to get to answer those just as, 588 00:24:38.695 --> 00:24:39.755 as quickly as we can. 589 00:24:40.425 --> 00:24:43.275 However, I do wanna give you another piece 590 00:24:43.275 --> 00:24:46.555 that I hope will be of a fairly significant value, uh, 591 00:24:46.585 --> 00:24:48.275 both literally and figuratively. 592 00:24:48.665 --> 00:24:51.115 This QR code has a couple 593 00:24:51.135 --> 00:24:52.715 of different opportunities for you. 594 00:24:53.165 --> 00:24:55.475 First, if you want to purchase four 595 00:24:55.535 --> 00:24:56.835 or more of those classes, 596 00:24:57.505 --> 00:25:00.155 then you basically have the opportunity 597 00:25:00.415 --> 00:25:02.195 to get a discount on those. 598 00:25:02.655 --> 00:25:04.875 And so that's what we would basically ask you 599 00:25:04.875 --> 00:25:07.395 to do is just say, yes, I'm gonna go ahead 600 00:25:07.655 --> 00:25:12.555 and, uh, share the, the opportunity here for you to, 601 00:25:12.575 --> 00:25:13.795 to take a number of those courses. 602 00:25:14.865 --> 00:25:18.515 Also, it's a good idea to say, well, 603 00:25:18.515 --> 00:25:19.875 let me just maybe try one. 604 00:25:20.015 --> 00:25:22.515 And if that's where you are, then we've got a code 605 00:25:22.655 --> 00:25:24.515 for people who have gone through the webinar 606 00:25:24.775 --> 00:25:27.475 to get a 30% discount on that course rate. 607 00:25:27.975 --> 00:25:29.715 Um, you can use 'em together by the way. 608 00:25:29.895 --> 00:25:33.275 So if you can purchase four courses, you'll get the 30% 609 00:25:33.895 --> 00:25:34.995 off that 1500. 610 00:25:35.615 --> 00:25:37.675 So plus that 1500 discounts. 611 00:25:37.695 --> 00:25:40.755 So it can definitely start to make a difference 612 00:25:40.975 --> 00:25:42.395 as you explore this series. 613 00:25:43.055 --> 00:25:46.115 Um, the QR code will also take you to the dates of all 614 00:25:46.115 --> 00:25:48.395 of the other courses scheduled for 2026. 615 00:25:48.895 --> 00:25:51.035 And so we will be sure 616 00:25:51.175 --> 00:25:53.115 to answer any questions that you've got about that. 617 00:25:53.115 --> 00:25:54.955 There's a link there for you to follow 618 00:25:54.975 --> 00:25:56.115 to get more information. 619 00:25:57.215 --> 00:25:59.515 Um, one of the questions that came out is, 620 00:25:59.545 --> 00:26:00.555 will this be shared? 621 00:26:00.975 --> 00:26:02.355 And, um, I agree, Megan, 622 00:26:02.515 --> 00:26:05.315 I like having raised insight on demand as well. 623 00:26:05.615 --> 00:26:06.635 Yes, indeed it will. 624 00:26:07.055 --> 00:26:10.195 Um, so please don't hesitate to rewatch 625 00:26:10.415 --> 00:26:11.795 and share with, with other folks. 626 00:26:12.615 --> 00:26:16.995 Uh, Joe, I love this question of how do I start to use AI 627 00:26:17.015 --> 00:26:18.115 to examine myself? 628 00:26:18.745 --> 00:26:20.715 It's exciting, but where do I start? 629 00:26:21.415 --> 00:26:24.915 Uh, one of the things that, that I found really useful and, 630 00:26:24.935 --> 00:26:28.675 and I will, um, shamelessly tell you that I have taken a lot 631 00:26:28.675 --> 00:26:30.355 of this from previous courses 632 00:26:30.455 --> 00:26:33.155 and interactions with Ray, is to start 633 00:26:33.185 --> 00:26:34.755 with those basic values. 634 00:26:35.385 --> 00:26:37.835 What is it that I think is really important in the world? 635 00:26:37.985 --> 00:26:42.075 What would I prioritize one thing over another, for example? 636 00:26:42.655 --> 00:26:47.085 And so do I have the opportunity to, um, you know, kind 637 00:26:47.085 --> 00:26:49.325 of clarify what's really important to me? 638 00:26:50.035 --> 00:26:51.725 It's an easy place to start. 639 00:26:52.145 --> 00:26:54.845 Uh, there are a number of of sites out there. 640 00:26:54.865 --> 00:26:57.725 If you just kind of type in values clarification in 641 00:26:58.095 --> 00:27:01.845 Perplexity or even in Google, um, you'll get a sense 642 00:27:01.845 --> 00:27:02.965 of some keywords 643 00:27:03.025 --> 00:27:05.285 or terms that you can start to, to play with. 644 00:27:05.945 --> 00:27:09.485 And that has, I think, a really nice starting point to it. 645 00:27:10.145 --> 00:27:13.445 Um, you could also just start by giving it background. 646 00:27:14.025 --> 00:27:16.605 So the context that we talked about is really important. 647 00:27:17.065 --> 00:27:21.405 Here's what my job is, here's what I ha-- want to do 648 00:27:21.545 --> 00:27:24.725 and my goals are, here are all of the different things 649 00:27:24.795 --> 00:27:27.165 that I am hoping to accomplish. 650 00:27:27.585 --> 00:27:29.125 And at least giving that kind 651 00:27:29.125 --> 00:27:31.125 of context could wind up being really helpful. 652 00:27:31.745 --> 00:27:34.525 Um, so those are the kinds of, of starting points, 653 00:27:35.065 --> 00:27:36.405 but, uh, believe me, 654 00:27:36.405 --> 00:27:38.965 Ray is much more creative than I am in terms 655 00:27:38.965 --> 00:27:40.285 of getting people off the ground. 656 00:27:40.905 --> 00:27:44.405 But don't hesitate to just ask questions or, 657 00:27:44.465 --> 00:27:46.805 or pose questions for things that you would like 658 00:27:46.805 --> 00:27:48.445 to get more insight on into. 659 00:27:49.345 --> 00:27:52.845 Um, we've got this opportunity for a lot of discounts, 660 00:27:52.905 --> 00:27:57.685 and so please do contact us, uh, with regard to here's 661 00:27:57.685 --> 00:27:58.685 what I'm interested in doing. 662 00:27:58.985 --> 00:28:01.165 If you'd like to bring multiple people from a group, 663 00:28:01.265 --> 00:28:03.845 for example, we will work with you to try 664 00:28:03.845 --> 00:28:05.685 to get a price point appropriate for that. 665 00:28:06.705 --> 00:28:10.085 Um, thank you to all of you for being a part of this. 666 00:28:10.385 --> 00:28:12.445 Uh, we really are excited about this series. 667 00:28:13.145 --> 00:28:15.765 Oh, you will start to see over the coming months 668 00:28:15.915 --> 00:28:17.645 that we are profiling each 669 00:28:17.645 --> 00:28:19.645 of these classes in turn with a webinar. 670 00:28:20.265 --> 00:28:24.805 And the next step is Leading with AI: Strategy, where I get 671 00:28:24.825 --> 00:28:27.725 to spend some time with my colleague Will Geoghegan, 672 00:28:28.065 --> 00:28:31.365 as he talks about how to develop strategic thinking skills 673 00:28:32.025 --> 00:28:35.645 and how to use AI to both challenge your thinking 674 00:28:36.145 --> 00:28:40.685 and help you think more broadly about the impact of choices 675 00:28:40.825 --> 00:28:43.125 and decisions that you make on the organization. 676 00:28:43.745 --> 00:28:47.925 Moving forward, you will see finance, marketing, accounting, 677 00:28:48.075 --> 00:28:50.725 negotiation, really a wide variety 678 00:28:50.785 --> 00:28:53.365 of other things across the calendar. 679 00:28:53.825 --> 00:28:57.445 So we would love to see you at one 680 00:28:57.465 --> 00:28:58.965 or more of those classes. 681 00:28:59.935 --> 00:29:02.045 Thank you so much for your time with us today. 682 00:29:02.435 --> 00:29:03.805 Very much appreciate that. 683 00:29:04.195 --> 00:29:06.405 Feel free to share the recording widely, 684 00:29:06.625 --> 00:29:09.725 and we hope to see you in an upcoming Kelley Executive 685 00:29:09.725 --> 00:29:10.485 Education course.